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June 12, 2017Just believe, Cavs fans
June 12, 2017Why is it that NBA referees have allowed Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green to pout, use hand and leg signals, and embarrass referees throughout each game of the NBA Finals? In the last three years, with the Cleveland Cavaliers and Golden State Warriors meeting in the NBA Finals, Green has complained about every single foul called on him. Whether it’s the correct call or not, Green crying about the call remains consistent.
Being a NBA veteran has some advantages. They get more calls, are able to complain to the officials, and get the benefit of the doubt- most of the time. Rookies rarely get a 50-50 call to go their way; especially when a veteran or All-Star is on the other side of the call. In his fifth season, the 27-year-old has proven to be among the best forwards in the league, but the theatrics go well beyond the norm.
"Going forward, he's going to have to take a step back on every foul."
Chuck weighs in on Draymond Green after Game 4… #NBAFinals pic.twitter.com/YJmOCq3xQK
— NBA on TNT (@NBAonTNT) June 10, 2017
Imagine if other players pouted like he did. Most would be called for a technical immediately if not fined. Then you have Green, who is able to have technical fouls erased mid-game. A second technical would have removed him from the game, so the first was obviously on his head coach, Steve Kerr. In case you don’t know what I’m talking about, let’s rewind back to Friday night’s Game 4. In the first quarter, it appeared a technical foul was finally called on Green for arguing a call. Then, in the third quarter, Green was called for another technical, which would have forced him to be ejected from the game. While Golden State’s coaches were busy telling him that he was to leave the court, referees were busy covering their butts for ratings informing everyone else that that was in fact just his first technical foul with the one edited to be on Kerr. Let’s take a look at the official score cards (and how they somehow changed) during the game. Keep in mind, for the Finals, the NBA brings in neutral official scorers. There is no conspiracy that a Cavs member messed it up.
The official box score following each quarter is legitimate and yet they were able to change it during the game.
Official NBA box score handed out in the first quarter and the one handed out after the third. pic.twitter.com/BmDF7ZnvrC
— Scott @ WFNY (@WFNYScott) June 10, 2017
Even if you don’t count the technical foul situation in Game 4, why is it that Green continues to get the benefit of the doubt from referees across the league? I know, LeBron James complains to the officials a too much at times as well, but there are plenty of fouls that aren’t called on his opponents solely due to the way No. 23 is either faster or bigger than many of the players who guard him. But, it doesn’t come close to the amount of complaining that Green does on a game-to-game basis.
He will continue to pout following every foul called on him and the refs will allow it to happen. If the NBA wants to start taking control of the game, stopping Green from embarrassing the referees in front of the whole country on basketball’s biggest stage may be a good place to start.
Nothing called on Draymond Green on this play- foul was on Shaun Livingston before Green made contact pic.twitter.com/BhDgfgoxv4
— Chat Sports (@ChatSports) June 10, 2017
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Warriors gotta “dirty up the game”
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Point of reference: the announcers were impressed when they realized Green had *only* received 3 techs this postseason. Imagine if LBJ had 3 techs in the post season? Social media would be aflame.
Lebron mouthpiece Brian Windhorst: “If the officials believed Draymond had a tech already they don’t give him an ejection for that. That’s just reality.”
Fan is short for fanatic, I guess.
I thought LeBron was mostly freezing out BW & ESPN since he’s been back (starting w/ giving SI the exclusive on the Letter). Is that not the case?
Re the tech on Kerr: there’s a ground level camera replay from behind the ref where it seems apparent Kerr did get that tech. He charged onto the court screaming angrily at the ref, and the “T” sign was directed at both his and Draymond’s direction. No, the ref did not walk over to the scorer and clarify. But there is a diff between refs who are dying a little in the moment and facile if fun conspiracy theories. Less experienced refs are getting used to working these big games, and the league and fans will pay a price for a while.
Like Pat Riley’s Knicks and Chuck Daly’s Pistons, Draymond dares the officials to call a foul on like every other play, and a tech almost every time they do. If he were intentionally killing them with quantity it would be perversely brilliant: the early calls don’t rein him in, and the refs, not wanting to stop the game every minute or put themselves in the spotlight by benching an impact player, raise his foul bar higher. We hate colorful refs with big, obvious egos, but it would take someone less conflict averse than these guys to stop it. And it would take the league to step up. Last year he kept intentionally kicking guys in the groin, only to keep playing or, worse, have it deemed a basketball motion. The league keeps hearing how losing him for Game 5 changed history. Which green lights Zaza to go after Shump and know there won’t be foul shots, and keep playing after post-game league review.
If we’re being honest, we’ve also benefited some. After he intentionally took Jae Crowder out with a vicious head-shot elbow, J.R. Smith should have been suspended for the rest of the ’15 playoffs. He got two games, and then played on.
So, we need Joey Crawford to come out of retirement?
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“Miss me yet?”
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Fine RGB… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/663f5eb55bfe8e194eaf5f1c48b4e32986df916f644a8b2559792708fa86ff09.gif
I think you got me by about a half-second.
Joey’s worth duplicate GIFs. It really gets the point across.
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sure, Joey out of retirement, Earl Strom out of his crypt. Take them all day over addled Tony Brothers and these guys who look like the crowds spook them.
Warriors:groin shots::Harv:unwarranted JR shots::Steve:attacking those he doesn’t agree with
JR has been a very good boy all playoffs. Despite this, the slightest of contact between him a Curry draws a whistle, as well as the ire of Harv.
Re: the last clip where the foul was called on Livingston – Draymond made just as much contact with TT’s head as KLove did with Durant’s on a previous play. In Love’s instance, however, he made contact with Durant’s arm FIRST, the momentum just carried his arm into Durant’s head. Draymond, on the other hand, goes right through TT’s head to get to the ball. I’ll let you guess who got T’d up…
Seems to me that Windy is still the most reliable go to guy. He’s guaranteed to put Lebron in the best light.
Only compared J.R’s intentional head shots to Draymond’s intentional groin shots. Nothing to do with how he’s defending Curry this year.
Was he the one who once broke his finger signalling a T?
OK, I haven’t followed his machinations as closely as in the past. He used to have a bunch of inside info that was later shown to be coming from LRMR. I know they were on the outs when LeBron first came back, just curious how much of that relationship has been repaired.
I only mentioned his D on Curry because neither you nor the refs will ever give him the benefit of the doubt. Wasn’t comparing it to anything.
Where is Harv not giving him the benefit of the doubt? He only mentioned the elbow incident from a couple years ago. I think you’ve completely missed his point.
So much of the problem is that, to me at least, the correct way to dish out technicals and flagrants and suspensions is that definition of pornography – I know it when I see it. Its tough to draw a specific line in the sand to put in the rule book, and the nebulous finessing is going to leave a lot of people unhappy no matter what.
wait … what?
Are you questioning my Archer-like phrasing, or something else?
There was a lot of weird things that didn’t get called in that game, i honestly don’t understand how an intentional elbow to the face does not get reviewed for a flagrant but Kevin’s little tap on KD’s head after he made contact with his arm warrants a flagrant. Another one was the zaza punch to shumps groom, I mean are you kidding me?! He threw a punch! And nothing!
no idea what the allegation about me dissing JR is about.
No, I don’t give him the treatment CLE gave Albert Belle in ’95. He’s a spacy, often moronic player with bad basketball instincts and about the sweetest jumper I’ve ever seen in a Cavs uni. That doesn’t mean I don’t love him. And even if I didn’t … what? Are we obligated to go full Putin here on close-out day? Not how I roll, bro.
agree. And, since the league has continually tweaked the rules there’s not yet any consistency game to game or official to official. Or in the league office. Still don’t get why Zaza wasn’t suspended – because he has bad aim?
Easy, Hoss. All I was gettin’ at was you always seem to have that Crowder card ready to play at any moment. Like now when he wasn’t even the topic of conversation let alone made another boneheaded play. Wasn’t speculating on your overall feelings for him or telling you how to root for him at any given time. This love triangle between you, me, and Swish has roots. I’m not trying to rock the boat.
Prolly to avoid another Game 5 Suspension Conspiracy Theory (even though Dray=/=Za)
What baffles me more – I’ve watched the clip a few times and have yet to see Shump do anything that deserves him getting a tech.
now even less sure what we’re talking about. Made about 6K comments here since 2008 and Crowder has been in …2? Maybe thinking of my evil keyboard gremlin twin, Marv. We can at least agree that on the court JR is frequently a moron, no? Or maybe you see his brilliant twin, Dr.
“Like now when he wasn’t even the topic of conversation let alone made another boneheaded play” – the “he” in this sentence is JR, not Crowder. Clearly my commenting skills for today peaked with my Ky/Dray lovechild comment.
You and I have discussed and debated the JR/Crowder sitchu a few times (it might have been under your old nom de plume Harv21). I tend to be somewhat of a JR apologist while accusing you of being somewhat harsh on him. And even as his self-appointed defender, I fully admit Sir Pipe has been known to make a foolish play now and again, but I would argue that it has been much less frequent this season/post-season. The only real thing that comes to mind was the behind the back pass that almost cost us one of those first games against Indy. And I don’t recall any overly hard/stupid/flagrant fouls.
Signing off of the night. Here’s hoping we are both singing his praises tomorrow, and that I haven’t burned my Harv bridge.
So he says.
Uptick for Marv. That could come in handy. 🙂
Lordy no, no bridges afire. I had no context for your comments because retain no memory of our JR debates. Like none, like wiped hard drive none.
Last night we were both right; it was J.R in full. His jumper was righteous and repeatedly kept the team in striking distance. And he repeatedly blew defensive assignments and, of course, mindlessly ran into the scrum between West and TT and made physical contact, ensuring that the Cavs would get the wrong end of the deal that GSW started.
As soon as I saw JR push West I went full Shatner:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRVVVV!!!!!!!!!!!
It was as if JR read our back and forth and felt the need to remind us of who he really is. I didn’t mind TT defending his David-sized PG from a ring-chasing, wanna-be goliath, but there was no reason for our boy Swish to get involved.
Speaking of that play, it would appear the debate as to how to dish out technicals carried over into game 5. Should not have West received two and been booted? He got T’d up immediately for swinging at Irving, and when they T’d up TT, I thought it maybe should have been a double T. We just watched arguably (not saying which side of the fence I fall) the best team of all time take down arguably (ditto) the best player of all time…there should not be near this much discussion of the officiating. Alas…