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May 4, 2015NFL.com’s Mike Mayock is one of the most respected NFL Draft experts. While he has been as good or better than Mel Kiper and Todd McShay at identifying the players a team will pick, his true value has been in his ability to diagnose prospects. Mayock is also unafraid to state his opinions on players even when those opinions differ from the overall draft community. In fact, his differing opinions can cause a wave of change throughout the public consumption articles, which leads to it appearing that prospects rise and fall greatly throughout the drafting process.
As such, it is interesting to look back on his rankings after the draft and see how a team did in comparison with how Mike Mayock had prospects ranked. In the case of the Browns, no team drafted more players in Mike Mayock’s top 100 ranked prospects. The Browns selected seven players in the top 100 and four players in the top 51, both which lead the NFL. The Cincinnati Bengals, Baltimore Ravens, and Jacksonville Jaguars each selected five players in Mayock’s top 100, which tied for second most in the league1.
Cleveland Browns Selection Comparisons:
- Danny Shelton was ranked 12 and taken at pick 12 by the Browns.
- Cameron Erving was ranked 26 and taken at pick 19 by the Browns.
- Duke Johnson was ranked 46 and taken at pick 77 by the Browns.
- Nate Orchard was ranked 51 and taken at pick 51 by the Browns.
- Xavier Cooper was ranked 93 and taken at pick 96 by the Browns.
- Ibraheim Campbell was ranked 96 and taken at pick 115 by the Browns.
- Charles Gaines was ranked 98 and taken at pick 189 by the Browns.
All NFL Team Selections:
Browns 2015 Draft
No. 12 (Round 1) – Danny Shelton, DT, Washington
No. 19 (Round 1) – Cameron Erving, OL, Florida State
No. 51 (Round 2) – Nate Orchard, DE/LB, Utah
No. 77 (Round 3) – Duke Johnson, RB, Miami (FL)
No. 96 (Round 3) – Xavier Cooper, DT, Washington State
No. 115 (Round 4) – Ibraheim Campbell, S, Northwestern
No. 123 (Round 4) – Vince Mayle, WR, Washington State
No. 189 (Round 6) – Charles Gaines, CB, Louisville
No. 195 (Round 6) – Malcolm Johnson, TE, Mississippi State
No. 198 (Round 6) – Randall Telfer, TE, USC
No. 219 (Round 6) – Hayes Pullard, LB, USC
No. 241 (Round 7) – Ife Ekpre-Olomu, CB, Oregon
- The Bengals selection of Cedric Ogbuehi with pick 21 was among the more egregious departures from the Mayock ranking as he was ranked 52 there. [↩]
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The next critique of this FO will be that they rely on the opinions of ‘experts’ instead of doing their own research.
You can’t really judge a draft expert until three years have passed 🙂
7 out of 100, huh? Historically nothing the Brown’s do will change the fact that they’ll be drafting in the top 10 for the next 100 years.
Sweet. Waiting for your UDFA update
I like that our early results are favorable (in itself an upgrade). Just a bit disappointing that the entire AFC North also did well. What a brutal division.
Hope Mike Mayock gets to decide the Super Bowl winner this year.
Another indication of how good the AFC North really is – all four teams seem to have drafted well
Here’s the unpardonable mistake using this formula: Mike Mayock had Brice Petty at 68. He was there….he had fallen to us at 96 but did we take him even though Pettine said we were tracking him but he didn’t “fall” to us? No…he FELL TO US but you couldn’t resist taking yet another D lineman that Mayiock had at 93. I kinda thought we might like to have a great QB in development while we watch Johnny get flattened. I think I’ll go watch the Cotton bowl for the third time and watch Petty hitting receivers in stride ALL over the field for the Cotton Bowl record 550 yds. Of course he’s the anti-Manziel in terms of character and size.
They got 8 of Dane Brugler’s top 100
i always liked mayock …
hi CIRCA … i think it’s safe to say your probably not a charter member of the johnny manziel fan club. manziel mades lots of plays in college too … even won a heisman. let’s see what johnny does this year.
i like petty too … it wasn’t in-the-cards.
I would love to have a great QB in development, but I do not believe Bryce Petty to be such a QB. He has a great arm and release and it ends there. He may develop into a top QB, but he is not one today and it is going to take a ton of work to get him there.
I always wondered why these experts don’t put their money where their mouth is at and have a job drafting prospects. I’m not saying they are not good at evaluating talent, but when they tell you who did good and who did not, my first thought is always ” Well, if you know the answers why are you not employed by a team?”
only 32 guys get to be in charge of a team, less than that get to get paid pretty well to become a celebrity of sorts and be on television talking about it. less pressure, more enjoyable, more job security, as good (or better) money. I would rather be Mayock than Farmer, honestly.
hi TRON … i do know that nfl network draft analyst daniel jeremiah was a scout for the eagles , browns & ravens … i like this guy as well.
hi MG … not me … i like the challenge that ray farmer faces … i think he relishes it as well.
Given the comments from Farmer/Pettine and seeing the results of the draft, I really think I understand how the Browns expect to play this season. I think DeFilippo may come in and try to create an offense similar to what the Eagles run. We’re going to run the ball A TON, and when we’re not running, we’re going to use Duke Johnson for short passes that are similar to running plays. We’re going to hide the QB behind some set read plays and ask him to do as little as possible. We’re going to shut down the opposing team’s run game so that they can’t melt away the clock when we’re behind. I think you still need a QB who can make throws when he needs to, and that would be the nail in the coffin for the Browns until we get one, but I think we can be interesting and competitive with this format.
Interesting stat: Since 2000, only 3 players have had more sacks in a single FBS season than Nate Orchard (one of those guys was Kikaha, who had already been taken when the Browns grabbed Orchard). I like him… he’s not a burner around the edge like a Dwight Freeney, but he’s smart and seems to understand how to get leverage over the offensive lineman so he can get to the QB. He’s only been playing on defense for a couple of years, so I think he still has a ton of room to grow as a pass rusher. Spending offseason time with Paul Kruger (another former Ute) is going to make a big difference.
Thanks tigersbrowns….that makes me feel a few percentage points better and believe me, that is appreciated. I certainly do not have enough faith in Johnny to put off the training of a good possibility until next year….when that guy will also need redshirt and grayshirt years. I think that process needed to be started today. Last year I wanted Carr. When they drafted Weeden, I wanted Foles. My team affiliation is up for grabs today. Maybe I’ll feel better tomorrow. We did the same thing with Foles. Drafted Hughes the pick before Philly took Foles but of course in that draft they were all in on Weeden who they quickly ruined by throwing him into the bonfire before he even got to google asbestos.
He’s got the arm, the size and the character…in spades. Baylor didn’t run that kind of offense so it boils down to his rate of learning. I would love to hear an honest appraisal from Flip and O’Connell. Never get that though. Never. If you could really convince me, my life would be a lot better.
he’s a better QB than Vince Mayle is a WR.
when teams you play against pass the ball 60 times per game, your chances for sacks goes WAY up.
not only did Baylor not run the offense, but neither do Texas HS. So, the question becomes if it is possible to process the information and then apply it on the field when only first learning it at the highest level of competition.
so it goes with QBs these days.
no argument.
and teams are more likely to pass when you stop them from running on first down.
I think the hard thing is accuracy and arm strength and then processing speed. If those are givens, I think anything is possible. Time will…..as they say…..tell. But if Petty, by some Wilsonesque chance, is out there starting in the opener and torches us…the Jets get my loyalty from then on. I won’t feel better until it is firmly established that he is just a backup or flames out. I like the kid and thought in a year or two could be a really nice face of the franchise and a popular guy in the locker room.
Yeah, that would be the level of stats that I don’t think are available for FBS. I have no way of knowing how many passing downs Orchard was on the field versus the sack leader out of the SEC, for example.
I don’t think he has the accuracy though it is difficult to assess given the nature of the Baylor offense. Processing speed is also impossible to assess in that system.
I doubt that your team loyalty is so flimsy that one game from one third round pick would change your actual allegiance. If so, then godspeed and enjoy the Jets should that scenario come to pass (note: Brady Quinn had a nice first game).
Ay…’tis a terrible predicament to feel this way! How is it that through regime after regime picking a QB has been impossible? Only O’Connell can absolve me but I don’t think he will hear my confession. I’ve been a fan of Petty since the Fiesta Bowl against Blake Bortles. I went to watch Bortles but became enamored of Petty. Scouted him ever since. I don’t think the Baylor offense should be held against him. I heard Ray about Cooper…OK, I get that but for the life of me I cannot have even a glimmer of confidence in Manziel. While Johnny was drunk Petty was hanging out with his kid in the “Little Brother” program….and with a kid in the hospital with cancer….unless it was all for show, which I kind of doubt. He’s just a straight arrow in the good sense of the word and on the field, character matters in times of challenge. Just ask Jose Mesa. Feeling sick and no help for it. Wishing I never took up football that afternoon when I was ten.