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Every once in a while we let you inside the strange world of WFNY’s email conversations. It is for your protection that we rarely run this feature. Read at your own risk. You’ve been warned.
Rick: First question is simple, do you think the Cavs need to make a trade this year- why or why not.
DP: Yes. While the Cavs have seemingly rounded into better form and have a pretty lax schedule for a while, there are too many question marks and variables surrounding this current roster. Leon Powe… will he play this year? Is DWest going to the clink at some point? Is Shaq going to continue to improve? Is Moon going to stay healthy? Is Mo Williams going to stay healthy? I love Z, but if he can be moved for another consistent scorer, you have to make the move.
Scott: The only way I would be okay with standing pat is if the Cavs are sure that they can acquire someone better in the offseason than they are being offered in the current trade environment. I know they can win now, but I am not comfortable with what next year may look like without adding another piece.
Denny: I agree 100% with Scott – what’s more, with the way LeBron’s holding the team hostage, I don’t think you can realistically think you’re going to acquire anyone that great this offseason. Getting a second go-to guy for the future is important right now, regardless of their position. The best shot the Cavs have at this is some combo of Z, JJ, and maybe Boobie.
Craig: They have to make a deal. I still cringe knowing that the Cavs missed an opportunity last year with Wally Szczerbiak’s contract. This is a unique time in the NBA with the economy and the financial situation looking bright in Cleveland. The Cavs have to take advantage at this trade deadline. Have to.
Andrew: Do the Cavs need to make a trade to win the Championship this year? No, they don’t need to. There’s a chance they could possibly win it as is. However, if they make a trade to address one of the few remaining weaknesses on this team, then they go from Championship contender to Championship favorites. That’s a huge step and one that shouldn’t be taken lightly. Plus, you have Boston considering their options, same with the Lakers. The other teams aren’t necessarily going to stand pat, and the Cavaliers should be proactive as well. And that’s just to win this year. Going forward for the future of this franchise, regardless of what LeBron does, the team definitely needs to make a trade. They need an infusion of talent beyond LeBron, Mo, Andy, and Delonte.
Rick: To me the question is less about this season as it is the future of the franchise. I certainly have reservations about the team being able to win it all this year, but you can never be completely positive about that anyway. Too many variables. I’m most concerned about Delonte’s situation for this season.
Going forward however, this team is going to have holes in the roster and no cap room to fix them. Not too mention convincing LeBron that his best shot at multiple titles is to stay here. That’s why I’m starting to warm to the Iguodala trade idea.
TD: I agree with Rick. But there is so much uncertainty about next year that you almost have to play for right now. But, do you sacrifice Z, putting Shaq through extended 30 day period of extra minutes? (I know the league does not allow buyouts to be a part of every trade, but you think this is done with a wink wink.) Last year we all talked about chemistry and that was the key reason they didn’t deal Wally’s expiring contract. How did that turn out?
Then there is the uncertainty of the Delonte legal situation. I think a move has to be made. This is THE YEAR. Don’t play for tomorrow.
What trade do you believe is best for the Cavaliers to help them win a title this year?
Denny:If we’re talking THIS YEAR only, it’s Jamison, without question. Jamison for Z. Whether Washington would do a pure salary dump I don’t know – but that trade would be leaps and bounds over anything else to solidify this team for a run at the title.
Scott: This year: Antawn Jamison. 20/20 potential does not come around often. No one can argue that he isn’t the perfect fit, its his age and contract that continue to bother people – both are future-related issues.
DP: I agree with Denny. If they can get Jamison without giving up Hickson, that’s the best deal IMHO.
TD: Jamison is the ideal fit. But I truly believe the last thing the Wizards want to do is help the Cavs. That said, they are a sinking ship and Jamison is a good solider. Maybe they reward his loyalty with a deal to the Cavs, but they will hold out for more than just Z’s expiring deal.
Andrew: Jamison, absolutely. Probably more so even than Amare. Jamison’s ability to be the dynamic inside/outside stretch forward this team has been lacking would simply add another layer to an offense that is already one of the 5 best offenses in the NBA. I do think there are better options for the future, but for winning a Championship this year, Jamison is the man. His talent, his leadership, his character….these are all factors that make him an absolutely perfect fit.
Craig: The best trade is one we haven’t heard of yet. Iguodala and Jamison are pretty interesting, but they both have a downside. I am convinced that there will be more names as we progress along. I am also interested in Stoudemire if the Cavs can get him ti re-up as a part of the deal. I am guessing if the Cavs come up with the right blockbuster, they will assuredly get LeBron to sign off on it. This is all a part of recruiting LeBron to stay here forever.
TD: I actually heard a rumor last week that Amare really would love to play here and has family in Cleveland. Supposedly he spent thanksgiving here. But if you add him, is there too many chefs in the kitchen? As stated earlier, Jamison is the perfect fit – team player, great teammate, and solid on both sides of the ball.
Rick: If Jamison is the best fit short term, then what about long term? I’m talking myself into Iggy more and more. To me it would matter if we have to give up Hickson however.
Think of a starting five of Mo, Iguodala, LeBron, Hickson and Shaq next year. Off the bench- Andy, Powe, Moon, Parker, Gibson and a center that we draft or grab on the cheap. Even though we like what he can do on the court, this would give the Cavs flexibility to let Delonte walk. And I don’t think Z comes back for another year, but would take him if he did. If we could get Iguodala on the LeBron workout regimen? We might be looking at 3 all stars down the road.
TD: If we win it all, Z is retiring. Iguodala is right up Mike Brown’s alley. Long, athletic, great defender with decent enough handles. I’m just not that sold on him as the answer in a trade for this year. How much better can he make the Cavaliers? He plays a position that right now isn’t a need for them.
Rick: Iggy can defend the 2 spot. He may not be a good outside shooter, but he can get to the rim and finish. I see him as a cutter in the offense, or posting up smaller guards. I think a legit 2 is actually the Cavs’ biggest need. Now if he could shoot from 3, that would make him a perfect fit.
Denny: If Ama’re wants to play in Cleveland, there it is. That’s the future. Would it work? Who knows – but that’s the shot you take if he really would want to be here.
TD: That’s the problem Rick – he cannot shoot. He is a true slasher and more of a 3 since his length is like Moon. As a wiseman once said “if my grandma had balls, she’d be my grandpa.”
Rick: But he is an upgrade over Moon or Delonte or Parker. The 2 guard is either our weakest or second weakest spot in the starting line-up. Andre would give us a significant upgrade, and we would still have the other players for situations.
TD: With his warts, do you want to take on that contract (6 yr $80 million with four years left)? He may be an upgrade over Parker as a whole and younger, but if there is only one move we can make for the future, i’m not sure that’s the one.
What about these Gilbert Arenas rumors? Can you see Arenas on this team?
TD: in a word – PASS
Scott: Nope. Requires too many shots, has half of a knee, and wouldn’t mesh with the current chemistry. Ill pass.
Craig: I can see anything happening almost. But not Gilbert Arenas for some reason. Then again the future is too hazy regarding Gil. I have no idea what the financials of an Arenas deal will look like. At this stage it is too hard to figure out. I certainly wouldn’t trade for Arenas and his current contract.
Denny: Exactly. Not gonna happen, even with a new contract.
Andrew: Never going to happen for so many reasons. On the list of things the Cavaliers absolutely need to address, a new starting PG is 2nd to last only above a new starting SF. Then, when you throw Gilbert’s toxicity on top of that, and the strong likelihood that Washington won’t be able to void his contract, meaning Cleveland would likely have to trade for him, and I see no scenario in which this makes even a little sense for the Cavaliers.
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Thanks for the discussion gentlemen. Any thoughts on David West becoming available w/ Chris Paul’s pending knee surgery?
New Orleans already has succeeded in getting themselves below the tax threshold. They’re not going to blow up their future just because CP3 is going to miss a couple months. If an offer came along that blew them away, they might consider it, but as usual, the Cavaliers can’t offer good value in return, only expiring contracts. And the Hornets have no use for expiring contracts anymore.
I’m with jto here. With Paul out 1-2 months, they could easily slip out of playoff contention and make their financial woes even worse. Their owner already seems somewhat prone to knee-jerk manuevers. It could happen!
I had similar feelings to what Rick did about the Iggy rumors. Initially, I was completely against it because he isn’t what we’re looking for right now, but the more I look at it, I’ve atleast warmed to the idea because he is an upgrade at the 2 on D and could guard any of the 2 guards (and possibly the 3 as well) we’d possibly face in the playoffs (i.e. Joe Johnson, Ray Allen/Paul Pierce, Vince Carter, Kobe Bryant). His shooting issues are the thing that still makes me a bit hesitant to want to pull the trigger on a deal.
I think this year, Jamison is the answer, especially if they can get him for Z straight up. If they have to include J.J., I say go the way of Iggy or possibly Amare because they’re younger and will show Lebron we’re building towards the future and not just for the this season and next.
Did someone say a lineup next year with Shaq? Um, think he’s a free agent looking for a presumably huge multiyear.
This year’s personnel was tweaked to beat Orlando/LA. So we don’t want a trade jeopardize that. If we trade Z and JJ for Iggy, not sure who effectively spells Shaq if Z gets his nose out of joint and won’t re-sign. Remember his snit over the games played record. You can’t be sure trading him mid-season after asking him to come off the bench will end up in a late-season return. I understand the cap implications affecting our ability to get a star before LeBron’s summer decision, but just saying that there is a risk to be calculated everywhere. Maybe, maybe you hold out for Jamison and his 10 rebounds a night or you stand pat and try to win this year with what you have. Ferry must not be sleeping well.
1. Iggy averages a 17, 6, and 5 this year, meaning he would be the best teammate Lebron has played with in the Cleve. His scoring has been way down in part because he is shooting less (4 less shots a game in January for instance). His shooting isn’t as bad as advertised either, as he has a true shooting percentage of 53%. I also think the two spot is our 2nd weakness, and guard play in general if/when West gets suspended. I don’t trust Gibson as the 1st guard off the bench.
2. Iggy makes this team better over the long haul. The Cavs need to balance winning now with winning over the long haul. Jamison, while a great fit this year, doesn’t do much for this team down the road. On the other hand, Iggy is just entering his prime.
3. I’d consider Amare too but Shaq and Amare did not look good together last year. He also is a sieve on defense. Plus you’d never be too sure he would re-sign.
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David West was a guy I dreamed of way back months ago when New Orleans was struggling and now that Paul is out you never know but I doubt it. Jamison is the answer not Iguodola I’m sorry. People keep downgrading Jamison because of his age which to me just doesn’t make sense since the guy has been putting up the numbers and avoided major injuries his entire career. He is under contract for a few years and even at his age he’d be the best PF on the Cavaliers roster.
I understand the people wanting to look down the road but give me a break this hasn’t worked in the past for the Indians and I can’t see it working for the Cavaliers especially when the best basketball player in the world won’t be under contract a year from now. Also Ferry went “all in” when he added players like Parker and Moon so he might as well push whatever chips he has left into the middle of the table and go out and get Jamison. If Washington accepts Z for Jamison in a heartbeat I’d do it. Even if Z doesn’t get bought and return you’d still have a frontcourt with Shaq, Jamison, Hickson, Varejao, Powe and Jackson. Would Z back be better, yes but even if he doesn’t return the Cavaliers will be in better shape.
But watch just like a year ago nothing will happen and instead we’ll hear the “We wanted to make a move but nothing fit” or “fill in the blank – didn’t want to make a move on their end” a la like the supposed Phoenix talks from a year ago at this time.
Craig: “The best trade is one we haven’t heard of yet … I am convinced that there will be more names as we progress along.”
You can’t just say that and not elaborate. If you’re “convinced” you have to at least have an inkling, no? Do share.
Al Jefferson.
He is young, athletic, an awesome defender in the paint and can score. He has a ton of potential, and has been the star of any team he’s played for his whole career. He could really learn how to be a dominant big man from Shaq, and would be a great tandem with LeBron for the future, plus he would make the team impossible to defend in the playoffs this year, b/c no one has the personnel to defend Shaq, Lebron, Mo and Jefferson at the same time.
RIck…you are a smart man, Iggy makes perfect sense. Its a perfect balance of now and future. Someone, anyone, please tell me how Jamison convinces Lebron that he should stay with the Cavs? How does that say, we are building for the next 3-4 years? It doesn’t.
I am not so much concerned about this year as I am Lebron resigning. There is one good thing in Cleveland right now keeping it from being Detroit, and thats Lebron James. IF he leaves, kiss that city goodbye.
I don’t like the Igoudala idea. Whatever his position is officially, we already have a who begins all his scoring forays dribbling the ball on the three point elbow. Is AI going to take turns with Lebron? The point is to get a few guys who do different things, so they can all operate at once.
How about signing a real coach?
I’ve finally talked myself into accepting Iggy, I really think he’d thrive in our system. My only problem with a possible deal for him would be giving up Hickson, he’s shown a lot of potential and I’d hate to see him become an all-star for another team in a year or two. Also, trading Hickson would leave another hole in our rotation. I don’t see D-Block contributing nearly as much as JJ.
If we could pull off the Iggy deal with Boobie I’d be all for it, but I doubt Philly goes for it. Either way, I feel Ferry will do what’s best for the team.
In Ferry we trust.
I completely agree with Rick. If the ONLY negative someone can put on Iggy is 3pt shooting, consider this:
LeBron’s career 3pt%: 33.2%
Would you say LeBron can’t shoot the 3? No way, he can hit any shot on the floor. Inconsistent? There’s the word. Iggy, by all acounts, is not quite the brick layer he’s made out to be, rather he takes way to many LeBron-esque bombs he has no business taking. Let him work with Chris Jent and cut down his shots from outside. We have enough guys who can shoot the 3.
I’m one of the biggest Z fans out here, but this COULD be our last shot at another star. Z, JJ, 1st rd 2010? In a heartbeat.
I think Jamison is the perfect fit, Murphy would be fine if all we had to give up was Z (and we can get him back), and I’d take Iguodala as long as we can get back Z, though I don’t think the Cavs will have the best package to offer Philly.
Whatever happens we can’t stand pat. As the e-mail conversation astutely pointed out, this isn’t just about this year, it’s about next year as well. Definitely put me in the camp that believes a move needs to be made. I like Jamison for this year and next.
I think the Cavs would look good with AI2 as a starting 2 guard, but at the same time if the deal is Z and JJ, we can’t trade that much size away. Our biggest advantage this season is our ability to morph from huge to small and still keep a very talented group on the floor. We pull this trade and all of a sudden D-Block and Hot Wad are our first bigs off the bench and neither have shown that they can handle that. Williams has done pretty well, but mostly as a perimeter player.
MIGHTY MORPHIN CAVALIER RANGERS!!! Thanks, EZ.
Side note: Can we really call Jawad “Hot Wad”? Doesn’t seem ethical. Not sure I’d like to be called Hot Wad.
Oh…One more:
Philly took Orlando to six games last year, where Iggy morphed into LeBron with 21.5 ppg, 6.7 apg, 6.3 rpg, 39% 3pt, and nearly 2 steals per game. High turnovers, though 4 per game.
The only trade that I can see happening from an East team would involve Troy Murphy. I just don’t buy anyone deliberately improving our title chances (for years to come) if they come from our conference except for Indiana, a team with former ties to Mike Brown, a terrible record and the need to cut salary. Oddly enough, more and more I can actually see an Amare trade happening, whether it be with Cleveland or another team in the East- first and foremost, being in the West affects Phoenix improving the Cavs less of an issue; the likelihood of him extending with the Suns is slim so a return for his value on the block is imminent and expected; and not to mention Phoenix has come down from its surprisingly hot start to reveal itself to be the mediocre team I had expected them to be, even with Amare. The Suns front office are faced with an uncertain future, one that has to worry Amare, Nash, Kerr, their fans, and anyone else who must see the trade deadline as a make or break point. Their past relationship with the Cavs favors Cleveland’s ability to make this happen, but as you’ve argued above, whether or not it’s a good fit is up for debate- and the reason I don’t make the big bucks in Danny Ferry’s chair.
I have 2 big problems with the AI2 trade. First, it doesn’t address the 4 position. If we’re giving up Hickson who’s shown pretty good potential at that spot, we need to be getting back someone that plays that position. Second, we talk about log jams at the 2, everyone’s forgetting we have a #1 draft pick over in Europe right now who supposedly has huge potential as well that would look good at the 2. Not saying Eyenga is all star material or anything, but he is part of this clubs long term plans, and the couple summer games he played he looked pretty good. Raw, but good. No one’s saying anything about Troy Murphy, who looks the most likey of anyone at this point. Pacers would straight up trade him for Z and buy Z out immediately. Then we’d have murphy’s expiring contract for next year.
@Tribal
Someone should send in a “Hey Brian” question to Windhorst on whether or not Jawad likes the nickname. Either way, just getting an answer would be hilarious.
I think the two is more important short term than the four. No way to bring in any of the PFs mentioned and keep Andy’s minutes (still league leading +/- minutes?) the same. The line-up would just get too small. I’d much rather see AP’s starter slot – which he was never supposed to have – revoked. You’d probably lose a bit on the defensive side, but also get a drastic scoring bump.
I like the Jamison trade for THIS season, which is the only thing that should matter at this point. Until we know for certain LBJ is returning, we should be operating as if there won’t BE a next season for Cleveland basketball. Title or bust. AI2 is only a good idea if we can hang on to Hickson (Z+Boobie+draft pick? Make it happen). And after watching Troy Murphy on more than a few occasions this year, I am not even remotely impressed. I’d rather stick with what we have now than make a move for that stiff.
Though I must say, the suggestion of Ferry taking the presence of Christian Eyenga into account when trying to decide what deal(s) to make this season is the funniest thing I’ve read in regards to the Cavs in a long time. Well played, Tron.
Can someone break down why a Chris Bosh deal can’t be made? My understanding has always been that if we can find a way to get either he or D-Wade here before their free agency kicked in they become our player and we can blow through the salary cap (as long as Dan Gilbert is willing to pay salary PLUS luxury tax)to keep our own player. If Bosh makes it clear to Toronto he won’t re-sign, can’t we move Hickson, Boobie, Jawad, two 1st round picks (or some other combination) to Raptors and still leave them with cap space to go after a marquee talent to replace Bosh? Would they demand Andy?
I am not really huge on getting rid of JJ unless the deal involves Jamison.
Does anyone know what Ferry offered Golden State for Stephen Jackson? That’s a deal that we needed to get done in my opinion!
@ Abe – crazier things have happened, but it just really isn’t likely.
More smarmy answer? Because real life does not = NBA2K10.
Hickson, Boobie and Jawad don’t add up to Bosh’s contract so we can’t make that trade anyway. Even if we could, Toronto wouldn’t go for it. They wouldn’t trade their franchise player for a 2nd year player and two reserves.
In the event that Bosh wants a trade the Raps would only take equal value in return, not prospects, and if they were to trade – since trades must be equal in monetary value – they still wouldn’t have the cap space to sign a max player.
@justin
I believe we offered Z’s expiring straight up.
I will continue to direct anyone who thinks Stephen Jackson was the guy Cleveland should have gotten to this post by Krolik: http://www.cavstheblog.com/?p=927
The only way Jackson would have been good in Cleveland is if you think Larry Hughes was good in Cleveland. It’s also my one worry about getting Iguodala. For all the things the Cavaliers do well, they don’t have a very good history of utilizing slashers who don’t shoot well from outside. Actually, the Cavs don’t utilize SGs well period.
I”m just going to stick up for Z for a moment. I know we are all insanely championship hungry and that sacrificing Z may have to happen…but I’d be happy to see him retire with the Cavs.
I’d love to see Z retire here, which is why I’d love a buyout and return in any deal for him.
The reality, though, is that because of our cap situation Z’s contract is the only way we can improve this roster with more than the MLE unless Lebron leaves. It’s all well and good for some fans to say “damn next year, give us a title now” but Ferry isn’t likely to be thinking along the same lines.
Think of it this way: If we were 70% likely to win a title this year, Ferry would not make a trade thing increases that to 80% this year, but drops it to 50% next year. He’d be more likely to make a trade that keeps it at 70% for this year and keeps it the same or raises it next year.
@Ben I know I’m not dismissing Z and all he’s contributed unfortunately as just pointed out his contract is probably the biggest chip the Cavaliers have to offer to help improve the team for a finals run. I don’t want to see him traded but at the same time this teams needs another player who can contribute more then what Z currently does. I’d love to see him be bought out and return to retire a Cavalier but business is business.
@29: “The only way Jackson would have been good in Cleveland is if you think Larry Hughes was good in Cleveland.”
Completely irrelevant argument. This Cavalier team is significantly different from the one that Larry Hughes was on, and Jackson’s role would have been significantly different as a result. Jackson would be put directly into Anthony Parker’s role, which includes far less shot-creation than anything Hughes was forced to do while he was in Cleveland.
Notice that while Krolik played pick-and-choose with the PER stats, he didn’t use overall PERs, because it would have shown just how much more productive Jackson has been per minute than Hughes was during his time in Cleveland.
We’re also talking about upgrading a below-average position (AP’s 9.01 PER is really abominable for a starter on a contender – worse than Derek Fisher) with a slightly above-average player. The last time the Cavs did that, it was Mo Williams in place of Boobie Gibson and Eric Snow, and that clearly had an (overrated) impact on the overall quality of the team.
Not to mention that Hughes was costing the Cavs $12M/year, rather than Jackson’s (still overpriced) $7.5M.
I’m not saying that I wanted Stephen Jackson on the Cavaliers; really, I can’t forgive him for being such a menace in Indiana, then being forgiven time and again because he’s a decent player. But the Stephen Jackson=Larry Hughes argument doesn’t hold water.
Iggy would be nice. Amare, as long as he holds up, would also be nice. Iggy could just concentrate on playing D – he only takes bad shots and dribbles everywhere because he plays on a crappy team. Think about Monta Ellis – on the Celtics he would score like 10 points per game.
Amare would have no problem being second fiddle. if the biggest first fiddle in league history was OK with being second fiddle to lebron, anyone would be ok with it. It’s one thing to go to New Jersey and be asked to be second to David Lee or D Gallinari, but nobody thinks they’re better than lebron.
I will take Iggy and be very happy with our defense.
Am I the only that thinks JJ’s overrated? Put him on any team without a player names LeBron and he’s barely a blip on the radar. He’s a -.7 for the Net48 on 82games. Plus I swear D-Blocks mid-range jumper has better form.
As for the whole expiring contract thing goes, what possibilities would hanging on to the combined Shaq/Z $31 mil bring us this summer?
I’m not opposed to upgrading, but I’m definitely starting to rethink how much I feel we need it. We’ve been out Mo and Delonte for a handful of games now and had some impressive wins. Maybe a smaller upgrade is in order through a JJ/Boobie trade and we can have a better building future?
Lipmonger are you who I think you are? If you take Bibby, replace the b’s with P’s does your last name rhyme with that?
The Jamison deal is a one and done type trade. What if LBJ doesn’t return? Then we have a GIGANTIC scoring hole that Jamison, Mo, West, Hot Wad, Andy and the rest would have to fill, I can’t see that happening.
If we get Iggy and LBJ leaves, then IGGY is our primary scorer and I feel better in the future building a team around Iggy and Mo.
I don’t want to see JJ leave, I think he is blossoming right now and I can’t wait to see him LBJ, Iggy, and Mo rock Cavs uniforms for another 10 years.
@Jake In Ohio City
It is who you think it is. Been a long time follower of the site, but rarely contribute.
BTW Happy Anniversary WFNY.
Jamison = Lebron WFNY (Waiting For New York)
@35 I wouldn’t say JJ is overrated but he’s nowhere near being anywhere as good as people think he is or might be. The fact is the kid should still be in college or at least a rookie because he shouldn’t have left NC State after just one year.
#39 Jake your just biased against Jamison is all and I completely disagree.
If the Cavs Trade Z, I will curse the franchise for 89 years!!!!!!!!
(Even Bernie Kosar has a Super Bowl Ring)
I love the “Lebron is holding the team hostage” BS. It’s more like Danny Ferry and Z are holding the team hostage. It seems Ferry would rather lose with Z than trade him and win without him.
Eric – You may think the “Lebron is holding the team hostage” is BS but it sure didnt help this past off season in our attempts to sign FA. Players some players stayed away because of LeBron’s uncertain future.
^^Mark as soon as you get the chance to work for someone else but aren’t certain you want to because your current employer might pay you more (or other reasons) let me know maybe then you’ll know where LeBron James is coming from. Btw last time I checked the Cavaliers signed Jamario Moon, Anthony Paker and Leon Powe so that right there does away with your argument about LeBron not signing an extension effecting the signing of free agents. I’m guessing what you meant to say was by LeBron not signing an extension the Cavaliers couldn’t sign BETTER free agents the problem with that is it had more to do with the available money then it did with whether LeBron resigned or not. “The LeBron” impact will be this summer not last.