While We’re Waiting… Outside Thoughts on the Braylon Edwards/Jets Trade
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October 8, 2009As we have told you in the past, our daily dialogue here at WFNY usually involves several email conversations. Some are meaningless meandering about nothing, but others spawn great sports debate which deserve viewing for our loyal readers. This brings us to the Braylon Edwards trade. When Scott broke the news in the morning, our proverbial wheels were turning. Take a peek:
Denny: B-B-B-Braylon and the Jets!
Rock: Why does it have to be the Jets? This is beginning to feel like incest or something.
Scott: I have a feeling that this was more coincidence. Once Crabtree signed, they probably started calling.
Rock: I agree, I’m just saying…..I think it outwardly looks bad that Mangini keeps bringing in all these Jets guys. It reminds me a lot of when Butch Davis started bringing in all those former Miami players.
TD: should be interesting to see what kind of draft picks this brings us. All it took was one more off the field incident and one good game from Massaquoi. Nothing like starting WR’s Massaquoi and Furrey!
Scott: Third and fifth.
DP: Is that in addition to the two players?
Scott: Yes sir.
DP: Against the Titans two games ago, Jason Trusnik (special teams player) had two solo tackles and two forced fumbles. Team him up with Blake Costanzo and we’re set for turnovers on special teams.
Rock: Dare I say it, but this seems like a VERY solid trade by the Browns. I mean, with Braylon set to be a free agent and it being abundantly clear the Browns needed to get rid of him now, I think they got some actual value.
Rock: Also don’t forget this angle….NOW MAYBE LEBRON WONT GO TO NY SINCE BRAYLON IS ALREADY THERE!!!!!!!!!!
Scott: We have 10 draft picks next year.
Rick: I can’t believe some commenters are complaining about what we got for Edwards. I would have traded him for a KICKING TEE!
Rock: Couldn’t agree more. The Browns HAD to get rid of him. They got 2 useful picks, and good special teams player, and whatever Stuckey gives is just a bonus.
DP: It’s clear that Mangini wants a “sum is greater than the parts” kind of team, and I have no problem with that. You have to get rid of the cancerous cells before you can get completely healthy, even if it means chemotherapy and losing your hair for a time.
TD: totally agree. What the “experts” forget to talk about is that while he may have great “talent,” not only is he a complete diva, a cancer in the locker room, and a jackass off the field, but he CANNOT CATCH THE BALL. Another thing I won’t miss? His two times a game, holding or false start penalties.
DP: I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that Braylon’s been dogging it for the last season or so, and has a surprising resurgence in NY right before his contract is up. That said, anyone with that attitude–and this is coming from the keyboard of Super Fan 17 over here–can enjoy NY. He seems like the kind of guy who wants to have all the NY glitz and attention over actually earning that status on the field.
TD: al a Gary Sheffield in Milwaukee?
DP: Or Manny at the end of his Red Sox days.
Denny: DP, was it the fur coats or the metrosexual sunglasses that gave it away?
TD: another thing. This is a GREAT PR move by Mangini. I’ve said this before, I have NEVER seen a player disliked by his home fans the way Braylon was here. Nobody liked him. Nobody. The fact that Mangini shipped him out and got two picks and two players for him knowing he’d walk after this season is a big boost for him.
DP: I liked him, but trying to spin his actions got to the point of lunacy last season.
TD: That’s because you are a Michigan guy. my buddy just sent me this:
Meanwhile, I just listened to Peter King on Sirius on the way to work. Stuckey has the same numbers as Braylon this year and the LB we got is a special teams stud. The idiot Peter King also said that Mangini is looking for great things from RB James Davis THIS YEAR. He is out for the year, moron.
Rick: Mangini on the trade: “This is a really good thing for us and a good thing for Braylon. I wish him all the best.”
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Can you guys EVER provide the other side to these stories, instead of ALWAYS taking Mangini’s side in the attempt at rationalizing?
YEAH!!! GET OUT OF THE BUNKER AND GET BACK TO HERDING SHEEP WHILE YOU’RE DRINKING THE KOOL AID!!!
I had Benny and the Jets stuck in my head all day yesterday. Thanks for re-kindling that flame, TD.
Why should they waste their time doing that, isis, when we all know you’re just going to show up and launch into your standard anti-Mangini rant, then proceed to insult anyone who dares disagree with you? Keep up the fine work, tough guy.
I’ve never seen more excitement for bottom of the roster players, particularly special teamers of which is not an issue of need on the Browns.
Before the draft, the Giants offered an #2/#5 AND either Manningham or Steve Smith-both blossoming stars at WR. The Browns would have had an extra #2 as well has not needing to take Robiskie. I have no issue trading Braylon, but to overlook what goes on is simply incredible. The Jets have given up to the Browns 10 bottom roster players for two impact starters.
@Nullster: OH YEEEEEAAAHHH!
Other side to the Braylon story? Is this like demanding that the press give equal airtime to climate change deniers even though 90% of scientists agree that it’s true?
Why do you read this site, Isis?
Where is credible evidence for this trade offer that you speak of – or are you just making crap up.
How long until Edwards gets a case of jealousy over Jeter’s popularity?
(WFNY edit) Isis, quit trying to invent stories to suit your needs.
“The Browns reportedly asked for a second- and fifth-round pick and receiver Steve Smith, but the Giants declined. New York countered by offering the two draft picks and receiver Domenik Hixon for Edwards.”
courtesy of Yahoo
Sorry for the language, a little [WFNY] help needed there.
Here’s is the most credible reference I’ve found thus far regarding a BE-to-the-Giants trade. But I suppose it’s wrong as well.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-giantspursueedwards041409&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Isis I believe Mangina passed on the trade offers in the pre-season because he wanted to see Butterfinger Braylon in person. That drop on 3rd down on the first drive Sunday was priceless. You all should give Bray props for being the worst receiver in the history of professional football while still being relevant in the media. The level of poor performance along with the high level of compensation and attention he receives should never go unrecognized.
Isis, I agree that the Browns should have traded him for 75 cents on the dollar this offseason. But that’s already been done. We can be happy that they now just salved him for 50 cents on the dollar when it looked like the market for his services would yield even less than that.
We discussed the Giants rumors ad nauseum this past spring….
“Before the draft, the Giants offered an #2/#5 AND either Manningham or Steve Smith-both blossoming stars at WR. The Browns would have had an extra #2 as well has not needing to take Robiskie. I have no issue trading Braylon, but to overlook what goes on is simply incredible. The Jets have given up to the Browns 10 bottom roster players for two impact starters.”
With all the insider information Isis has I am amazed that he wasn’t hired as GM. Could you perhaps verify this rumor?
I knew james davis was hurt, shoulder maybe? But what changed so dramatically to take him from questionable to out for the season? Guess I missed that memo…
Smith was never on the table for the browns. This is pretty much the same deal on the table over the spring. I hope BE gets hot and starts to make catches cause it will just show he is a selfish, spoiled player, not to mention us getting a higher pick. Mary Kay wrote a story of how Savage protected him when Romeo was in charge, and I thought that rather interesting. Overall though, This is a solid trade, and hopefully Stuckey can be a good #2.
Isis is the only person I know who thinks ‘hindsight’ is equivalent to ‘knowledge.’ Maybe we just need to get him a dictionary?
As for the Braylon trade…..congrats to the Browns for getting more draft picks. This team needs to be built through the draft and acquiring more picks is going to obviously help that goal
The fact that the draft pick could be bumped up to a #2 isn’t getting enough pub. I know that depends on Braylon catching balls, but crazier things have happened. I would like to get the details on how many he needs.
“I knew james davis was hurt, shoulder maybe? But what changed so dramatically to take him from questionable to out for the season? Guess I missed that memo…”
Was placed on the IR last weekend… [WFNY]
“The fact that the draft pick could be bumped up to a #2 isn’t getting enough pub.”
Agreed, though I would expect a massive change in play-calling if he were to be close to this mark by year’s end.
I think everyone just misunderstands Isis… WFNY is his ring and he is the Iron Sheik! His role is to come out and get everybody fired up and hating him so that they can love their favorite wrestler’s victory even more.
And I guess my serious comment is this… the only way I can see a negative to this trade is IF there was a better trade out there to make (which I don’t think there was… nobody seemed to want this cancer on their team), or if I thought we were losing something with a swap of Edwards and Stuckey. I think we lost potential. I don’t think we lost production. So I am cool with this trade… we wouldn’t have gotten crap for Braylon if he left via free agency.
Grossi wrote yesterday that the Jets have a trade with their 4th round pick that could move into a 3. I dont know if this is true, because I can’t remember hearing anything about that, but if it is, and their conditional 4th turns to a 3rd, does that mean by default we get the 2nd?
I feel like the conversation you guys had is based on the understanding that this is where the Browns are today. And right now, this is the best move the team can make to improve.
The people who are upset about this deal seem to:
a) not understand that Braylon is a FA this off-season and wouldn’t be re-signed OR
b) are living in the past
Heres the Grossi article.. maybe I am misunderstanding, but he says the Jets don’t have their 3rd or 4th from a previous trade.
[Cleveland.com]
Grossi is saying either/or. The previous trade is, I believe, a conditional 4th round that could upgrade to the 3 as you said in 25.
The Browns thought they would give Braylon a chance to contribute something to this year. The fact that he has put up zero numbers thus far, and they were still able to get something for him was a miracle. I think the Browns should have traded him in the off-season, but still. Given that he wasn’t able to put up any numbers at all, the Browns really did get some value for the guy.
Plus, at the end of the year, what were they going to do? Franchise him? Really? He would have just walked and they wouldn’t have had this supposed #1 receiver. They wouldn’t have had the two draft picks. I am tired of getting excited about special teamers too, but getting these two draft picks is solid for a team that couldn’t get anything out of Braylon on the field anyway.
The other side of it in my mind is just that they should have traded him before the draft if they could have found a way to make that happen. The timing works out better if they get anything done with the Giants because they would have been trading for draft picks in last year’s draft that would be developing players here right now instead of next year. In that respect I think we can be critical. But at least they didn’t compound the mistake by not getting anything for him ever like the Indians would have done.
The issue that Isis has with all of this, I believe, is that he thinks the Browns should have been able to go from 4-12 and NOT SCORING AN OFFENSIVE TD FOR SIX GAMES to the playoffs, and he’s mad that that’s not the reality.
Just like he’s mad that Larry Dolan’s lack of funds caused the Indians to have to sell off (and I agree that they didn’t get all that they could have, but believe it’s so because Shapiro was essentially over the barrell and being told to trade those players NOW) their two best players this July and build for 2011.
The Browns are building for 2011, basically. It sucks, but it’s reality. I firmly believe that almost any coach/GM tandem would have had to do the same thing after evaluating how much garbage is/was on this roster. To me, the Browns of 2009 were the Indians of 2002. They tried to win while straddling the line of rebuilding and contending. It became clear early on that this was a total impossibility. And so, much like the Colon trade in 2002, the Browns are blowing up and rebuilding.
As Scott pointed out, the Browns have 10 draft picks. Now, the merits of having those picks when we’re not overly sure of the drafting skills of those in charge is a valid debate. But, to me, debating the PLAN of rebuilding through the draft for a couple of years down the road–like all good teams do–with someone who thinks the Browns should have been able to wave a magic wand and instantly make themselves a playoff team is like arguing with a dining room table.
And that’s where Isis is; he believes that the Browns should have just been able to bring in a coach who would instantly make them 10-6 and a playoff contender. But it’s not reality. And because it’s not, we’re all to blame for somehow condoning what–again, in reality–now has to happen.
I whole heartedly agree with this being a positive move. Not to pick on any individual reporter but, someone, keeps using the term “addition by subtraction” and it’s killing me. If you ONLY compare the WR’s in the trade we got someone with better stats in this season. I’m also tired of people talking of Edwards’ potential as it’s something that adds value. You have to work with what you know and not what may be possible.
Reminds me of when the Cavs got rid of Ricky Davis…
DP, since you brought up the Tribe and their lack of funds…
Jim Ingraham at the Morning Journal wrote an excellent article comparing the Tribe to the Twins. He kind of takes a dump on the idea that the Indians can only get better by spending more. Good read for all you fans of the feather.
http://www.morningjournal.com/articles/2009/10/07/sports/mj1720038.txt
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