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We’ll always have Toronto: While We’re Waiting

Charlie Riedel, AP

The Carlos Santana era has ended as abruptly as it began. Over the seven and a half seasons of his play, Jacob Rosen spent a decent chunk of his time as a WFNY Indians writer highlighting the statistical prowess of Carlos Santana as had Jon Steiner during that era. Gage Will, Mike Hattery, Jim Pete, and Joe Gerberry have each dove deep on No. 41 over the past couple of years. I might have even written an article or two demonstrating my appreciation for the catcher turned third baseman turned gold-glove caliber first baseman who moonlighted as a left and right fielder when the team needed him there. So, it should not be unexpected there is a feeling of absence when Carlos Santana signed with the Philadelphia Phillies to end a run with the Cleveland Indians which began in 2010.

The team with which Santana was called up to contribute looked much different than the team he left. The Indians were 23-36 on June 10 2010 as they sat alone in last place in the AL Central Division; a full 11.5 games out of first place. The Tribe would finish the year in fourth place, 25 games out of first with a 69-93 record. The roster had precious few stars as Santana would rise to being the third most valuable position player despite only playing an abbreviated season. Here is a peek at the lineup the day before he was called up.

June 10 2010 Cleveland Indians Lineup

  1. Trevor Crowe (CF)
  2. Shin-Soo Choo (RF)
  3. Austin Kearns (LF)
  4. Travis Hafner (DH)
  5. Shelley Duncan (1B) PH – Jhonny Peralta
  6. Andy Marte (3B) – PH Russell Branyan
  7. Anderson Hernandez (SS)
  8. Lou Marson (C)
  9. Jason Donald (2B)

The list of Tribesmen during his tenure would include many ballplayers of all different skill levels, but Santana’s rise to MLB would open the floodgates on position player prowess coming from the Indians farm system as Lonnie Chisenhall, Jason Kipnis, Michael Brantley, Yan Gomes, Jose Ramirez, and Francisco Lindor would all follow as each are Top 10 in games played with the Indians in the Santana era. Asdrubal Cabrera, Shin-Soo Choo, and Mike Aviles round out that list.

Over this period, Santana would lead the Indians in hits, doubles, home runs (by 86), RBIs, and walks (by 377) as he secured his place in Indians franchise history. Consistency is difficult to obtain in any arena. Consistence excellence the scarcest of commodities especially in the variance-filled production environment that is Major League Baseball. Thus, while Carlos Santana never had a 50 home run season or put himself in the AL MVP race, the value he provided the Tribe in his seven and a half seasons of play will be near impossible to replace. As noted by Gage Will in the initial headline, since 2011, Santana has registered at least 200 total bases with a .350 on base percentage, and 18 home runs each of those seven seasons. No other player in MLB can make the same claim. None. Zero. Zilch.

Thus losing Santana with the best known offer the club provided to him being the same amount per year Michael Brantley is receiving ($12 million) is frustrating.1 Especially given that even in the most conservative calculations, Santana’s value exceeds the $20 million per year he will receive with the Phillies. Even more so when considering the Indians will be receiving 50 to 70 million dollars in 2018 from their ownership in BAMTech ( engine). New rumors emerging the Tribe is looking to shed the contract of Jason Kipnis do little to sooth concerns payroll will once again be a limiting factor in competing for a World Series.

There are also so many great memories of Carlos Santana’s 1116 games with the Tribe. See below as fans recount walk-off victories, home runs galore, and how great of a person Santana was to the fans off the field. Also, no matter what else happens, Carlos Santana, we’ll always have Toronto.

#ThankYouCarlos shows outpouring of appreciation from Indians fans

Some past WFNY Carlos Santana articles

  1. Remember, the club opted in as Brantley’s health was unknown following an ankle surgery. His third surgery in three years. []

  • RGB

    The 12/18 and 12/17 articles aren’t showing up on the front page.

  • BenRM

    Yup – I only found this through disqus

  • BenRM

    Losing Santana is a bummer. Actually, most of the Indians off-season has been a bummer.

  • CBiscuit

    Unless you are a huge huge fan of the lesser Upton brother who signed a one year, $1.5m deal. Then if so, it has been really exciting.

  • BenRM

    I mean, that’s not bad. but losing Santana, Bruce (likely), and Shaw has been disappointing.

  • Harv

    Santana really grew on me and was hoping (against hope) they’d find a way to keep him. Even more so because he’s “ours,” patiently raised from a pup and wanting to stay if the numbers were close. But here’s what my head says in the face of the current semi-hysterical sky-is-falling vibe about the Tribe post-winter meetings:

    – Encarnacion’s signing was a hedge against this happening. If because the team has a salary limit they would only pay one beginning 2018, I’m going with Edwin.

    – I’m thinking Yandy could be a reasonable Carlos facsimile in a year or two.

    – It’s most important that they make a reasonable attempt to sign Lindor. Presumably that’s why Carlos became a luxury they couldn’t afford, that’s why they’d love to shed the Kipnis contract in the balloon payment years, that’s why they secured a minority investor. A perennial MVP candidate combined with a continually productive farm system would crank the window open for quite a while. Even if Lindor ultimately walks, I don’t want to hear $20m/3 for Carlos as a justification for them not risking some pain to keep Frankie.

  • mgbode

    Melvin is the new A-Jax (who was the new Crisp). I don’t think he is as good but he “could” be as good, so that’s something. Smart low-profile signing.

    Now, about those guys you mentioned (and add Logan and Smith from our bullpen).

  • mgbode

    I’m not so sure about the EE vs Santana debate. EE is older, doesn’t play defense, and isn’t ours. I could see a decision going either way there, but the decision had to be made a year prior & EE came w/ a bonus of 2017 being all-in if you choose EE.

    I just don’t buy that as an excuse. Attempting to minimize long-term contracts to make a hope-against-hope offer to Lindor is more plausible and fits with the Brantley opt-in (and the Kipnis rumors). I also don’t think we’ll be able to give Lindor the $400m he will likely command on the open market.

    Ah well. Let’s hope the youngsters do well and we have a “new Carlos” for the next seven and a half years.

  • CBiscuit

    And Mickey Callaway. But we don’t need all those guys or any of those studs from the Marlins fire sale…and we don’t need.. (Cries…I can’t do this any more)

  • Jason Chamberlain

    That was the baseball.

    I often had arguments with my brother-in-law about Santana. He would complain about the long swing and Ks. And I’d just point to the numbers at the end of each season.

    I wouldn’t have minded him shortening up a tad in the 9th inning of Game 7 though, but you take it as a package. As a package he will certainly be missed.

  • RGB

    The only places those Marlin’s studs were/are going is to NY or the National League.

  • Steve

    Santana is projected to be about a win better next year.

  • Chris

    Still having that problem on Chrome. Mobile and Internet Explorer look fine.

  • JM85

    My favorite player the last 7 years. I’ll miss him.

  • jpftribe

    In 10 years, he’ll sign for a $1 and retire as an Indian, so we got that.

  • mgbode

    Hope he signs for $41.

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