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A crazy long-term Lindor contract, and Greg Schiano: While We’re Waiting

Yes dear reader, I’ve officially taken over While We’re Waiting. After back-to-back WWW’s on Friday and Monday, pretty sure this is just going to be my gig from now on… right? Not really, but I’ll enjoy it while it lasts.

With the Browns busy ruining everyone’s Sunday once again, I think it’s extremely important to wake up this find Monday morning thinking of thoughts outside the NFL. While the Browns are rolling through the turmoil of bad ownership, mysterious front office movement, and bad play calling on-the-field, your Cleveland Indians are busy… being patient.

In the past, this sort of take would be considered hot for the Indians, because the term patient could have been replaced with the phrase, “not enough money,” or “waiting to scrape the bottom of the barrel.” Fortunately, the Indians actually have plenty of money to make moves this offseason, and have a top-to-bottom team that when healthy, is certainly one of the top three teams in the league.

It’s really hard to forecast what the Indians plan to do with the money that they have available. On Friday, I made a case that they had more than enough surplus to not only sign Carlos Santana, but to have another $5 to $10 million in the coffers should they really want to push the envelope on their payroll scale for the 2018 season. It’s distinctly possible that this is the route the Indians intend on taking. If they believe that Santana isn’t going to get anything close to a five-year, $100 million deal that it’s likely he’s looking for, Tribe president Chris Antonetti and general manager Mike Chernoff have the ability to wait out the storm a bit, as they did for Edwin Encarnacion last year. Encarnacion still got his $20 million a year average, but the Indians didn’t have to go the full five years that he was looking for last November.

While the Indians will still be involved in free agents talks with several players throughout this current offseason, the team will also likely be in talks with several of its own players who will be looking for extensions. Cody Allen is in his last year of arbitration, and will hit the free agent market next winter looking to cash in on the recent surge in relief pitchers long-term deals. Andrew Miller will also be hitting the free agent market at the end of the 2018 season, looking to bump up his four-year, $36 million dollar deal as one of the top two or three relief pitchers over the span of that contract. Lonnie Chisenhall is another player at the tail-end of his arbitration, who may be a cost-effective extension, should the Indians want to continue to employ him as a platoon option in the outfield.

Trevor Bauer is probably the most likely of this bunch, as he enters his first year of arbitration eligibility, coming off his best season as a starter. This is when the Indians like to strike deals with their starters. Carlos Carrasco signed his four-year extension after already signing a contract to avoid his first arbitration year, which became a part of his extension. Corey Kluber signed his extension the same year, a year before he was scheduled to hit arbitration. Bauer, who has remained healthy throughout his career, other than his run-in with his drone, is likely going to at least get an offer to extend into his free agent years.

But all eyes will be on Francisco Lindor, and whether or not the Indians engage in legitimate talks to an extension. The Indians reportedly offered their shortstop a substantial contract last offseason. If you’re to believe the reports, the deal was unprecedented, coming in at somewhere around seven-years, and close to $100 million. While that report was never confirmed, several media outlets reported it, with some local reporters confirming that a “substantial deal had been offered.” Lindor turned it down.

The Indians will no doubt be looking to extend their young star once again, but Lindor improved his market value with a massive jump in power (15 to 33 homers, 30 to 44 doubles, .435 to .505 slubbing, and .134 to .232 ISO), while finishing fifth in the MVP voting (after finishing ninth in 2016). It’s not hard to figure that Lindor is betting on himself in this cat-and-mouse contract game, as have players like Bryce Harper and Manny Machado. Both Harper and Machado hit the free agent market at the end of the season, and will likely be looking to re-set the market, and will likely be looking at contracts that come close to $40 million a year. Since both players will only be 27-years old, there’s no doubt that they’ll be looking for a 10-year deal as well.

It’s likely that Lindor is waiting that process out, because once the market resets, it’s likely that any conversation with Lindor about extending will start in that $200 million range, and as silly as this sounds saying it out loud, that might not be enough.

I’ve had several conversations with other Indians’ writers over the years who I hold in high respect, and we’ve all said some variation of this: “Offer him 10-years and $200 million. Who says no?”

While I can’t remember anyone ever saying, “Lindor will,” that’s a legitimate possibility. He might simply say no because he doesn’t know the market. He might simply say no because it just doesn’t make sense for a just-turned-24-year old to sign away free agent years when $20 million a year could cost him another $20 million a year. Sure, you have injuries to worry about, but that’s a lot of money.

But the Indians need to start getting really proactive with this. While injuries are a concern, are they more a concern than say a player like Mike Trout or Buster Posey? Trout signed a six-year deal entering his arbitration years, that covered those three years, and took his first three years of free agency. The difference, of course, is that Trout still hits free agency in his age 29 year, and will still likely sign a second massive contract. His deal looks like this:

2015-Arb 1:$5.25 Million
2016-Arb 2: $15.25 Million
2017-Arb 3: $19.25 Million
2018-FA1: $33.25 Million
2019-FA2: $33.25 Million
2020-FA3: $33.25 Million

Trout received a no-trade clause, and has no options of any sort in the deal, when clubs typically want one or two club options at the tail end. Of course, Trout was clearly the best player in the league then, so it’s a good bet on a player that has a whole lotta prime left, if he stays healthy.

As big as that $144.5 million extension was, Buster Posey’s was even more interesting, especially considering his position. Posey’s eight-year, $167 million deal (which actually included one pre-arb year, technically making it a nine-year deal) controlled three arbitration years, and five free agent years.

2014-Arb 1:$10.5 Million
2015-Arb 2: $16.5 Million
2016-Arb 3: $20 Million
2017-FA1:$21.4 Million
2018-FA2:$21.4 Million
2019-FA3:$21.4 Million
2020-FA4:$21.4 Million
2021-FA5: $21.4 Million
2022-FA6: $22 Million Club option, with a $3 Million buyout

Now without getting into the critical nature of both deals too much, Trout’s deal took heat for the front end of the deal. You can see that he left a ton on the table, while making a lot of that up on the tail-end of the deal. Trout also got a $5 million signing bonus, vs. Posey’s $7 million. While Posey’s deal didn’t take any heat, you can argue that he left a ton of money on the table at the tail end of that, but you are really taking a gamble at the catcher position. The fact that Posey hasn’t played in less than 140 games (in 2017) since 2011, and you can see that the gamble has paid off for both sides.

But where does that leave Lindor. Certainly there aren’t many experts that suggest that Lindor should make Trout money, right? But when Major League Baseball has been touting Lindor as a face of the franchise, is this perhaps something that he and his agent are thinking? When Lindor’s agent, David Meter, was asked about the extension, Verducci quoted him as saying,

“It’s just one of those things we’ll look at on a year-by-year basis. I don’t think it’s very productive to draw a line in the sand.”

So what would a deal for Lindor look like in la-la land? This is just me spitballing crazy numbers, and I still think it comes up short, because I don’t think Lindor would want to go too far into his free agency. Like Trout, I think he’d probably only want a deal that boosts his arbitration number, and maybe gets him one free agent year. This would take him three years into free agency, and would come out as a seven-year, $140 million deal. Obviously, if you took it to ten years, or added a club option with a bonus, and/or a signing bonus, you could boost it towards that $200 million option as well.

25-2018-PA1-$4 Million
26-2019-Arb1-$10 Million
27-2020-Arb2-$16 Million
28-2021-Arb3-$20 Million
29-2022-FA1-$30 Million
30-2023-FA2-$30 Million
31-2024-FA3-$30 Million

Now I’m just spitballing numbers here, and have no real context as to what any sort of deal for Lindor would look like. I’m also fairly certain that the Indians would be really contract-averse to multiple $30 million years at the back-end of the deal, although Lindor would still be in his prime. Hell, I’m pretty sure Lindor would be contract averse to this.

But think about it. If the Indians truly did offer their superstar around $100 million last year, and nobody has come out and declined that information, wouldn’t a deal like this make sense as the next step?

Would Lindor take it?

Would the Indians offer it?

Should they?

Not sure what the realities are regarding Lindor’s contract extension, but I’d bet he’s going to wait until the end of next season, then watch the market implode with Harper and Machado. Once that happens, this $140 million deal, I suspect, will look really cheap.

And what about Tennessee hiring Greg Schiano, then un-hiring Greg Schiano? I’m not going to lie here… I really don’t want to talk about this, and want to talk about it at the same time. My timeline for this hire went something like this:

  1. Friend on Facebook timeline that grew up in Tennessee, and is a ridiculously crazy Volunteer football fan said, “I’d take Lane Kiffin back in a heartbeat instead of this guy.” I didn’t know who “this guy” was yet.
  2. I head over to google and type “this guy” into google search (not really, I typed ‘Tennessee coach,’ and Greg Schiano’s name popped up, with a variety of Twitter posts that were of the unkind variety.
  3. I head to WFNY Slack and said, “Hey, they’re comparing Schiano to Kiffin, how ridiculous is that.”
  4. Was told that he knew about the Sandusky deal
  5. I realized I had forgotten that
  6. I watched as the world imploded around Schiano
  7. Tennessee backs out, and likely, Schiano is grateful.

So some background:

Greg Schiano worked at Penn State from 1990 through 1995. He was a grad assistant in 1990, and was a defensive backs coach from 1991 through 1995. In a Washington Post article dated July 12, 2016, it was reported that Mike McQueary testified that both Tom Bradley, then a linebacker and special teams coach at Penn State had knowledge of Jerry Sandusky’s behavior.

According to the article:

“He said another assistant coach had come to him in the early ’90s about a very similar situation to mine, and he said that he had — someone had come to him as far back as early as the ’80s about seeing Jerry Sandusky doing something with a boy,” McQueary said.

According to McQueary, Bradley identified Schiano, now the Ohio State defensive coordinator, as the other assistant. In response to a question about whether Bradley had shared details of what Schiano had said, McQueary related a conversation with Bradley.

“No,” McQueary replied, according to the documents, “only that he had — I can’t remember if it was one night or one morning — but that Greg had come into his office white as a ghost and said he just saw Jerry doing something to a boy in the shower. And that’s it. That’s all he ever told me.”

Schiano has always adamantly denied the reports, as has Bradley. That report was unsealed in July of 2016 after McQueary testified in 2012. Ohio State hired Schiano in December of 2015.

According to Urban Meyer:

“Greg’s been a close friend for 20-plus years,” Meyer said. “He’s an elite person, elite father and elite husband, and that carries over into the way he handles his players. Excellent coach, excellent person.”

I have no problem with the University of Tennessee making the decision not to hire Greg Schiano. Whether it’s true or not, an institution that takes on the responsibility of shaping young minds, and handling millions and millions of dollars should have the ability to make those decisions. BUT, how do you get all the way down the path of hiring a coach as a university, including signing a “Memorandum of Understanding” stating that he would be their next coach, without vetting this entire process? How is it that it takes basically an entire state burning down Schiano’s name, before the university catches on? How is it that people keep making idiotic, knee-jerk reactions, when they should have had a more complete process, without being held accountable.

It’s just odd.

If Schiano saw what Sandusky did and didn’t report it, he deserves whatever hit he takes. But boy, University of Tennessee, it’s not hard to see why you have turned that football program into a laughingstock. Do your homework. Make your hires. Have conviction.

They clearly didn’t do any of that.

I’m curious as to what the future holds for Greg Schiano. I’m not sure whether or not Ohio State vetted Schiano after that report came out, but you can certainly bet that it’s going to happen now. I suspect in the climate that we’re in today, we are a long way from hearing the end of this, and in fairness, the story shouldn’t be over until it plays out.

Nobody’s name should get dragged through the mud if they don’t deserve it, and I know that there are folks that are on both sides of that coin. Truth is, it’s a hard questions to answer, but it’s certainly fair to ask, considering the deposition from which it came from.

Here are the facts. McQueary made the comments five years ago under oath. They were unsealed 15 months ago, and to my knowledge, they either weren’t investigated, or were investigated, and nothing came of it. Schiano would never be accused of the accusation because McQueary allegedly heard it from Bradley, who allegedly heard it from Schiano. Is there such a thing as double heresay? With Schiano’s denial, it’s likely we’ll never know the truth, because there just won’t be definitive facts surrounding it.

In the end, the Tennessee fans have spoken. As what tends to happen in today’s world, social media reared its head, and the invisible angry mob turned into a visible angry mob, and “forced” a weak-kneed university to make a rash decision without regard of anything other than said mob.

Of course, the Cleveland Browns cannot help but get involved when there is a scandal afoot. It appears as though Jimmy Haslam had his fingerprints all over the Greg Schiano hire to begin with. Hard to imagine anything would go wrong with taking his hiring recommendations, right?

  • CBiscuit

    I’m with Tennessee on this one. While McQueary did not hear it from Schiano directly…supposedly Bradley said Schiano witnessed Sandusky abusing a boy and was white as a ghost when reporting it.

    I’m a huge Bucks fan, but why we give this man quarter, I do not know. He should not be involved in our program, nor should anyone who didn’t do the right thing in that situation. It should not have been hard to do morally. At all. Any guy who would have difficulty struggling with what to do is not someone you want with you.

  • MartyDaVille

    Meanwhile, in today’s installment of Magniloquent Colormen Gone Wild: “As long as they’re moving the ball, they’re going to pace the tempo to their advantage.”

    PACE THAT TEMPO! PACE THAT TEMPO! PACE THAT TEMPO!

  • Harv

    the sad thing: it would probably be great to watch a game at a bar with James Lofton, et al. But for some reason they’ve been told or believe that they should be “articulate” or something. Which inevitably ends in gibberish worthy of the homeless character from “In Living Color.” The genius of John Madden was being so confident in his substance and comfortable in his own skin that we had beers with him every week. These color guys, almost to a person, spend broadcasts desperate to show they’re smart, interspersed with “your golf game” cracks for that common man touch.

  • Garry_Owen

    Honest question: Even when someone denies an accusation, which is a hearsay of a hearsay, and that accusation is either investigated and found not to be reliable or not investigated at all, potentially and probably for the same reason, do you think that the accused person should be disqualified from employment? Or is it just that you don’t think Ohio State should associate with the accused person?

  • scripty

    Personally, I don’t think an employer is bound to follow “legal” documents, but public institutions should probably give wider berth to potential issues. Private organizations can do whatever they see fit and see their customers react accordingly. Further, there is a reason there wasn’t much follow up in the Schiano-PSU ordeal, as the institution of PSU and the local yokel PD looked away. Further, Schiano is no choir boy and (forgive me on this as just recalling by memory) I think there was some issue of him being a bit of a bully on injured players there without all their best interest at heart when at Rutgers?

    Now, I do feel as a society we have a HUGE ways to go in what we want in a pound of flesh from people – how long do people need to pay dues for prior crimes and/or indescretions. But the PSU drama will always stink to high heaven and I doubt anybody there can benefit anyway from going back and re-hashing their side of the story again, so I can see why he doesn’t bring it up.

  • JM85

    Shouldn’t Haslam be more concerned about his NFL team that has won 4 games in 3 years?

  • Garry_Owen

    So until a guy has his entire house in order he’s not permitted to do other things at all? Even if they take very little time or energy?

  • scripty

    The more time he keeps busy with Tennessee and not the Browns, probably the better for us.

  • JM85

    I mean if he’s happy with his team winning 1 game in 2 seasons then more power to him.

  • Garry_Owen

    The two things are in no way related. How are they at all related?

  • Chris

    [Cue image of Jimmy-and-company maniacally laughing in owner’s suite]

  • scripty

    What’s odd about the Schiano Tennessee bit is so many of these hirings are driven by specialized firms that help agents and universities pair up head coaches with vacancies and better jobs. The AD at TENN (Currie?) said he had no info on Schiano prior to his time at Rutgers. So they are paying these firms high 6/low 5 figures to help drive these searches and they got such a thin dossier on Schiano?

    Good work by that placement service if they can get it, what a disaster.

  • JM85

    They’re not related? His pro team is a joke and he’s trying to help Tennessee hire coaches?

  • scripty

    People on the UT Board of Governors are glad for his help as long as he’s cutting checks. That simple.

  • Garry_Owen

    Phone rings:

    JH: Hello, this is Jimmy.
    UT: Jimmy, University of Tennessee. Hey, we’d like to know what you think about potential coaches for our football team.
    JH: No can do, buddy. My pro football team stinks. I’m taking a vow of silence and celibacy on all things until they wins some football games. In fact, the grandkids get no presents this year and I’m staying in this office, staring at stats, and meditating on nothing but touchdowns until my team wins.

    Hangs up.

    Look, I get it, we HATES Jimmy Haslam, and we need to beat that guy into the ground until he stops wriggling. But seriously, his helping UT hire a coach has absolutely no impact on his ability or inability to improve his pro football team. Zero. None. Now maybe we can question UT’s judgment in asking him, but he’s not precluded from doing it just because the Browns (predictably and accurately) suck.

  • BenRM

    I’m not a fan of this sort of thinking. It implies that people can only do one thing at a time. I get it, Haslam is not owning this team well. (He’s also not running his business well or running Tennessee well for that matter.) But the reasons he’s not doing these things well is because he’s a crook and an idiot, not because he isn’t devoting ample time to them.

  • BenRM

    I am torn on how much we want to bury these grad assistants for what they saw/didn’t see or did/didn’t do.

    They were just starting their careers, were quite young, and were as low on the totem pole as anyone. Sandusky’s actions were being covered up by many powerful people at the highest levels of the school and law enforcement in happy valley.

    I’m not sure how many people in the same position wouldn’t have responded/not responded the same way.

  • CBiscuit

    Legit question. I think he shouldn’t be employed by NCAAF personally (even though I know it’s unrealistic).

    My memory on this is going back a couple of years back when Schiano was hired by OSU and this all surfaced (re-surfaced). Yes, McQueary’s testimony is double hearsay—but I remembered there being a few things that didn’t sit well with me (forgive the lack of thoroughness/support) but generally:

    1. Not being a lot of digging into it further. They seemed to have been content with going upwards in their findings of cover up (as is commonly done)—and once Sandusky, the AD, and Paterno were complicit…it seemed that the underlings scurried away somewhat unscathed despite McQueary’s naming.

    2. No one was convincing in their denial. Schiano’s statements were less than 100% spittle flying out denial (which I would do if I were accused of covering up or looking the other way after you witnessed your football boss raping a boy). Urban gave a generalized “he’s a good man” whisk away, which also didn’t inspire confidence.

    3. Suggestions of guilt. Let’s be honest, it is likely everyone in that coaching room either heard what was going on or witnessed what was going on and did nothing. It’s hard to believe that Schiano did not (bolstered statement under oath of someone with no apparent axe to grind against either Schiano or Bradley).

    4. Seriousness of the allegation. Again, not reporting rape/being part of a systematic abuse. If there’s any remote smoke on that thing, then I’m outta here on a guy.

    My take is that that Urban took advantage of a bargain to get a really good defensive coach after Fickell left with little risk (if Schiano was later condemned which was unlikely as that ship sailed per point #1), then he could cut ties with little damage (no NCAA penalties). Plus, he also knew Schiano could land a HC somewhere soon so it was a temp bridge. All that said, yes there’s no smoking gun on Schiano, but it sure seems like the guy saw something/knew something—and I don’t feel good about having that guy. I think we should be better than that.

  • CBiscuit

    I hear you that there has to be a limit on how much we punish everyone–but fwiw, Schiano was a 29 year old man…not a 16 year old stock boy. Secondly, he witnessed Sandusky raping a boy in the shower. As a 16 year old stock boy, you should still have the fortitude to do something. After all, we all have something to lose.

    My friend…with all due respect, that’s cowardice and selfishness to a despicable degree on their part when children were victimize. I’m ok not letting these people off easy.

  • Steve

    Using the 40/60/80 rule for arb year salaries, that 7/$100M offer to Lindor looks like it values him at around a $20M a year player. He was right to turn it down, and frankly, I’m annoyed at the team for not doing better by him. If they don’t have the cash, I guess they don’t have the cash, but I agree that they should see him as a $30M/year player going forward. Arb prices will be a just a bit higher than you estimate, but close enough to not cause any problems.

  • BenRM

    Fair point. And I should note, I do not care one iota what happens to Schiano. Frankly, I forget he’s at OSU half the time.

    But I’m also not going to be clamoring for him to never be able to work again. As we’ve seen with the Weinstein stuff, the power dynamics at play often make coming forward more difficult to do than people realize.

  • Saggy

    I don’t play golf.

  • Saggy

    well, it COULD be a bit of both, yes?

  • BenRM

    Perhaps!

  • tsm

    Mixed feelings on this one. I realize that UT is not bound by the legal system in its decisions regarding the hiring of the coach, and it can simply decide that they don’t think he is a good fit. But that is not what happened. They decided he was their guy (after what due diligence I do not know), then the “angry mob” weighed in and they took the deal off the table. When a mob can override an “allegedly” well thought out decision by those entrusted to make it, we are in trouble in this country. I have no idea what his involvement, if any, was in the Sandusky stuff, but all sides of this trouble me.

  • Garry_Owen

    Thanks. Appreciate the response, and see where you’re coming from, for sure (and agree with much, if not the “suggestion of guilt” and “seriousness of the allegation” points – though still understand).

    Is there anything that Schiano could do to convince you that he is worthy of being employed as a coach? And I’m not trying to defend or justify his alleged conduct – I think everyone involved in that Penn State stuff or had knowledge of it without doing anything about it should be hung in a gibbet for the crows to eat their flesh – I’m just trying to understand where the societal (not legal) burden on an accused person ends today (and you happen to be a thoughtful, trustworthy voice).

  • Garry_Owen
  • CBiscuit

    I’m not sure where it ends in terms of “consequences” when there’s not an official trial or judicial finding of fault (which, you and I know isn’t always going to be the actual “truth” as OJ is technically not a murderer)…or where there’s settlement out of court. Are they ever going to nail Bill Cosby? I doubt it. But based on what I’ve seen, I’d be hard pressed to believe he’s innocent. Obviously, that’s an extreme example. And I’m not sure what it would take me to believe Schiano is “innocent.”

    To be honest, I’m struggling with how to reason things out in a bigger sense with all that’s going on with Hollywood & politics. I think generally: We should believe the victims and the accusations by and large, while understanding that not every person may be guilty and might catch flak (maybe Schiano is that guy, I don’t 100% know but it doesn’t pass the smell test). Some will be unfortunately casualties in terms of their careers being scuttled, but if we can effectively eradicate 98-99% of the turds in this cleansing process, let’s do it.

    I get we all dislike a “mob mentality” but then again, no real change gets done without big force…and this includes outing people and not letting things just go (star running back, NFL owner, moral high horse political, President, whoever it is). IMO, bigger hammers should be dropped as a deterrent effect to change long standing, deeply ingrained societal ills. These are wealthy and powerful people who barely get a slap on the wrist. Despite all my wind here, Schiano and ilk will be just fine…whether he gets a HC job or stays at OSU.

    Anyway, us dudes need to actually do something and not make excuses for the bad behavior or make excuses for lack of whistleblowing (not saying you are, just soapboxing here). On a much smaller but individual scale, I’ve personally witnessed bad behavior in the past by opposing attorneys towards women that I never did anything about…and feel guilty about. In that way, I was part of a societal problem.

  • Garry_Owen

    Thanks. I guess I just balk at any “cleansing” approaches that destroy 1 or 2 percent of innocents in the process. What was it that Chief Wiggum said? “I’d rather let 100 guilty men go free than chase after them.” Wait. That’s not quite what I mean, but I think you get the gist.

    (I would rather 100 guilty men go free than punish one innocent if that one innocent is the price of the 100. I think. Talk to me tomorrow. Regardless, this whole UT/Schiano thing gives me a bad case of the icks, as do all attempts at behavioral/intellectual/ideological purity.)

  • CBiscuit

    Yep. Agreed on the conundrum. Doesn’t feel good. And I think we all feel some icks. No one’s a winner in all of this ess storm and no easy answers or solutions.

  • CBiscuit

    The flip side is the Tennessee folks tried to slip a flawed Schiano through and people called foul–and cooler heads (non football singularly focused folks who wouldn’t sell their grandma’s soul for a five star recruit) put the brakes on it.

    An “angry mob” is not always wrong if the anger is justified. Not saying I can say personally with 100% certainty, but IMO, there’s certainly very reasonable grounds for reasonable people to have gotten angry and protested.

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  • WFNY_DP

    This is a very well reasoned response. I would add that, as an outside observer, it doesn’t do OSU/Meyer any favors in terms of non-OSU-fan perception that he also was quick to hire another coach as a coordinator who left his previous coaching job under questionable circumstances. Not saying that Kevin Wilson is “guilty” of anything, but it certainly doesn’t paint a picture of a coach who’s setting a high standard in his coaching hires.

    For all of the gnashing of teeth when the Browns hired Gregg Williams, there was nary a peep when the Bucks hired Wilson at almost the exact same time. Even noting that their alleged offenses were not quite in the same ballpark, I always wondered why that was.

  • WFNY_DP

    It’s also fair to note that UT has also had their own share of recent issues re: sexual abuse and misconduct. Perhaps they didn’t feel that this would ruffle so many feathers, but once it was clear that it did they were quick to pull the rip cord. Sometimes it’s not about cooler heads prevailing, but instead purely about damage control and calculated risk.

  • mgbode

    Quickly rationalized as he wouldn’t “have to” push on players to play through injuries and Meyer wouldn’t stand for it either or something. I agree w/ you. Meyer is all about grabbing the best coaching talent and not worrying about any other ramifications (outside the Baylor staff).