Hue-ston, We Have a Problem: Browns lose to Texans, 33-17

The score indicates a game that is somehow closer than it really was. The Houston Texans dominated the Cleveland Browns on Sunday in a 33-17 route to move the Browns to 0-6. Reliant Stadium. The Texans, playing without their best player in J.J. Watt, dominated both sides of the ball and made this one feel all too typical for Browns faithful. There will once again be the questions we hear each week: What happened to the quarterback play? Who is responsible for the constant errors in covering the opposing tight end? Where will Jabrill Peppers find success on an NFL field? There are far more questions than answers at this point.

Houston jumped out early on the first drive with a 40-yard field goal by Ka’imi Fairbairn. The Browns followed it up with a field goal of their own, a 41-yard effort from Zane Gonzalez. After the Gonzalez field goal tied the game at 3-3, things went downhill for the Browns, and fast. Will Fuller caught a lost Jabrill Peppers in a busted cover 2 look for a 39-yard pass late in the first quarter to make it 10-3 Texans. Peppers again looked lost in coverage, and we are all left wondering where he will fit in an NFL defensive scheme.

The following possession only made matters worse. Kevin Hogan threw a flat route to Duke Johnson that sailed well over his head, and right into the patiently waiting Johnathan Joseph’s arms and the Texans veteran cornerback ran it back 82 yards for a touchdown. The next possession didn’t turn out much better for Hogan, who struggled mightily in his first start of 2017. He tried finding Johnson right up the right sideline, but was intercepted again, this time by Dylan Cole. Hogan would go on to throw one more interception in the first half, again to Joseph, to cap his poor performance. Hogan finished 20-for-37 for 140 yards with ome touchdown and three interceptions.

The remainder of the first half saw the Texans score one more time, on a one-yard flip pass to former Buckeye Braxton Miller, just to add insult to injury to Browns fans. DeShaun Watson, who the Browns infamously passed on in the 2017 draft, finished the game 17-for-29 for 225 yards with three touchdowns and one interception. He was never asked to do anything far too strenuous, and only made one mistake all game: An errant fourth-quarter pass that was intercepted by Jason McCourty who returned it for the Browns first Iand only) touchdown of the day.

The second half was about as boring as we all thought it would be, as the Texans played it appropriately safe and let the clock do its work. The Browns were again unable to muster much offense, and never really threatened Houston with anything serious. The lone bright spot was a three-yard touchdown from Hogan to Seth DeValve.

Browns fans are again left wondering when the franchise will win its first game of the season – a theme of the past few seasons. Hue Jackson’s inability to inspire has left many wondering if he is the right choice long term, and the front office continually letting quarterbacks slip away isn’t helping. The situation isn’t going to fix itself, but the hope is something changes as the Browns continue to trek through 2017. Cleveland welcomes the Tennessee Titans to First Energy Stadium next Sunday.

Player of the Game: Myles Garrett

The first-overall selection continues to show he is as good as advertised. His snap counts took a jump this week, and his numbers showed the talent. He had five tackles, including two for loss and one sack. Garrett is the real deal.

  • Skulb

    Hue has to realize that at the moment he is a QB killer, not a QB whisperer. Put Kizer in too early, as even I was able to see here, and wrecked Kessler’s confidence so that he can’t be used as a starter for some reason now, even though he was the obvious choice a month ago. And now he’s started dismembering Hogan too by apparently deliberately exposing all his weaknesses. If he was any good he would scheme to the strengths of whoever his latest torture victim is at the QB position. But the Great Head Coach has a Plan, and by golly those round pegs will be battered into those square holes come hell or high water! The only head coach in the NFL I thought was a worse QB killer was on the opposite sideline in this game. And even he seems to have discovered a humanitarian side no one knew he had with Watson.

    Reality is actually more important than the Plan. Hue needs to accept that before anything can improve.

  • tigersbrowns2

    i totally agree … the Giants whooped the Broncos last night without an NFL-level WR … but of course , they have a veteran QB.

    I would really like to take Barkley & whoever the best WR is with our top picks next year … but you just flippin’ know they will have to at least entertain Rosen or the QB-du-jour.

  • tigersbrowns2

    and i will be heckled , booed & stoned as i peddle my #TeamSunnyside float through the parade.

  • Skulb

    Kaepernick is unemployable. He’s nowhere near good enough for it to be worth the hassle of signing an activist-player like him. Maybe even an activist-backup player. Even if he had been as good as Rodgers or Brady I think quite a few teams would hesitate before signing him. But he’s basically at the Hoyer-Kassel level as a QB right now. Obviously teams are going with the people who keep quiet and don’t cause endless embarrassing pressers over pig socks and other nonsense.


    Or worse, trade out of the top 2-3 because some team will come calling.

  • tigersbrowns2

    let me help … that “escape” looks pretty painful … latch-on to apathy for a spell.

  • BenRM

    I was sort of hoping the Giants would fire McAdoo midseason so we could hire him as OC.

  • For him, or for us? Because…not for him. This is the perfect place for no one.

  • Skulb

    Much as I despise the Giants they actually still have a winning culture. Management, coaches, fans and players expect wins. You wouldn’t think that mattered, but it does. And no organization has a more developed and elaborate losing culture than the Browns do. Everyone not only expects to lose, but seem to almost revel in it at times. Any new players who get confused and thinks they should win is quickly disciplined with a healthy dose of apathy and indifference.
    That’s better Myles. Just because you know what to do is no reason not to experiment and try a few mistakes. You might even grow to like it in time.

  • tigersbrowns2

    hi BEN … I wonder if McAdoo was forced to give-up OC duties or if he is the one who decided it might be best.

  • Steve

    “But he’s basically at the Hoyer-Kassel level”

    Yeah, this is hilariously wrong.

  • tigersbrowns2

    good post SKULB

  • So no to all this and stick to the status quo of three never-have-beens? Really? This wouldn’t be a marked improvement? (NOTE: Edited to remove politics because the point is well enough made on pure football terms)

  • Skulb

    But other teams have without becoming anywhere near as disheveled as the Browns are right now. It is the total lack of any meaningful progress week to week, but also year to year, that makes this so unacceptable. If anything they looked more promising a year ago than they do now.

  • Skulb

    It isn’t. People just didn’t watch him play last year. He was absolutely horrible and no longer even starting level.

  • mddawg

    That’s the point, there wasn’t a need to blow up the squad to a pre-expansion team level. Their process is flawed, they draft talent then create additional holes in the team by cutting Taylor Gabriel, Haden, letting Grecko go, trading Cam Erving (who’s doing a fine job in KC) to name a few.The whole Osweiler fiasco is the reason we don’t have a veteran QB to help develop Kiser and also led to us cutting $16m in salary so we could let him walk.
    Regarding coaching follow Earnest Byner on twitter and watch his film review of the Browns and then compare it to his film review of other teams like Kansas City to see the disparity in coaching quality.

  • tigersbrowns2

    i agree … to me , the run defense looks better this year than it has for a long time … but you’re right , overall , things look a little worse … but that doesn’t mean we should abandon the plan.

  • Skulb

    Is that what he wants them to focus on? He hasn’t said anything about it, except in one mewling locker room rant last year. And people haven’t focused on that, but rather on “respecting the flag, the veterans, police and the anthem”. So that’s what he has “raised awareness of”, none of the stuff you’re talking about.
    So not only a backup level activist-player, but an ineffective and amateurish backup level activist-player. Anyway, the Ravens tried to give him a job. And if Ray-Ray is to be believed, Kaepernick’s communist girlfriend tweeted out pictures equating Ravens ownership to slave owners and house slaves DURING THE DAMN INTERVIEW.
    Clearly he doesn’t really want to be an NFL QB then. And that is what 31 other organizations will conclude. He just wants to seem to want to play NFL QB for his newfangled martyr role. Now he is the blackballed formed Superbowl QB who can’t get a job because of evil slave owning whitey. If he actually took a job people would quickly be reminded of just how awful he now is and understand that this is the real reason he is unemployable. Take a flier on him if he kept quiet and didn’t cause a distraction? Sure. Waste time and resources on someone you know will be a massive headache and distraction and who you know to be at best slightly better than what you already have? No. Just no. No conspiracy needed. It’s a no-brainer.

  • BenRM

    The only reason the Browns shouldn’t abandon the plan is because Jimmy has put the franchise in a position where they have to give this group 3-4 years.

  • tigersbrowns2

    i agree with all your points … but here we are … what big-name , reputable head coach or GM would even dare come to Cleveland now ?? All i know is the current FO has a plan & I’d like to see them get their 4-5 years … then I will get upset if we’re still not competitive.

    you brought-up Lerner’s teams … they did NOT build it for sustained success , they followed-up their 9-7 season in 2002 with 4 consecutive double-digit loss seasons … then followed-up their 10-6 record in 2007 with a 4-12 season. while some may be okay with occasional wins & winning seasons , I wanna see someone get it right for the long haul.

  • tigersbrowns2

    exactly … i am only guessing it was decided in the beginning that the HBT asked Haslam for 4-5 years because they were going to do a complete blow-up & start from scratch … i just hope that if Haslam granted them this time , he stays patient.

  • BenRM

    Given what little I know of the intractable nature of HC’s in the NFL, I assume he was forced to do it.

  • BenRM

    Is it patience, though? I see it more as penance for prior impatience.

    In any other city, everyone would lose their jobs this off season (barring a Mangini-like 5 win streak at the end of the season).

    But because Jimmah was too trigger happy, he has to chop off his trigger finger in order to hire anyone after his sentence with this dumpster fire ends.

  • Skulb

    The culture needs to be completely changed, which is not easy. I thought Hue might be the man for the job a year ago, but now I’m not so sure anymore. At no point over the last season and a half have I felt as if all the losing feels unacceptable to anyone involved. And it should be. It really should be.
    Even the Chargers win felt wrong to me at the time. It was a sort of woe is me Christmas miracle rather than a meaningful adjustment to the underlying culture of losing. Browns fans are already like Eskimos with hundreds of different words for snow. Except of course they are instead connoisseurs of losing. Just endless losing of various kinds. There are more variations of moral victories among Browns fans than I even knew existed. We have the defensive stand that goes unanswered by the offense. We have the OOH THAT WAS CLOSE! type losses that were blown by some calamitous mishap on teams. And everything in between. And we love talking about all these different kinds of defeats our team experiences. It as if we have too many responses and behaviors for this rather than winning, which usually seems to stun us when it happens on occasion.

    If the culture is to be changed the response needs to be: we lost, it’s not good enough and it’s totally unacceptable. The particulars of the match do not matter at all. Do better next week! It is not to gorge on the finer points of losing football games, as if we long for it so we’ll have something to talk about. Let’s stop being Eskimos!

  • Skulb

    This is the problem really. Romeo failed to bottle whatever happened in 2007 and Pettine was fired after managing the only winning streak the team seems to have had this decade. If we are presuming that Haslam has learned from past stupidities he might be waiting for that one glorious Crennel season for his chance to prove to us that he has learned. Might be a long wait though.

  • Steve

    Yeah, no teams ever sign guys who cause embarrassment.

    I do like that you use “activist” in a denigrating manner, though. Gotta get those dog-whistles out.

  • Skulb

    You’re projecting. I’m pointing out that NFL players get paid to be NFL players, not activists. So as an activist-player there are far more concerns about hiring him than another player, and particularly when he isn’t very good. I mean, if you could choose between an activist-engineer and just an engineer to build a bridge, who would you choose? Obviously the engineer because it would be so much simpler. What do I need an activist for? I just want to build a bridge.

  • mddawg

    Here, fixed that for you: “Peppers again looked lost in coverage, and we are all left wondering where he will fit in A BROWNS defensive scheme.” You’re welcome.

  • BenRM

    He’s not as bad as his opponents say he is, but he’s also not as good as his proponents say he is. Some numbers are good (16/4 TD/INT, 468 rushing). Some are not (49.5 QBR, 6.7 YPA, 187 YPG).

    He’s likely better than any QB on the Browns roster. (I say likely only because I’m sure Hue would sabotage Kaep with his play calling like he has with Hogan and Kizer.)

    But it seems more likely than not that Kaep is another in a long line of Cleveland bridge QBs.

  • humboldt

    For 0-16 regular season or 4-0 preseason?

    Maybe both, and we can make it a winter festival to rival Mardi Gras

  • humboldt
  • humboldt

    A fellow Corona man – well done TG2. You should start sending your bill to Berea. I’ll send mine to the White House 🙂

  • mgbode

    Bill Walsh was great at drafting because he would go in looking for what players were good at, then put them in roles where they could focus on it. What we have done with Peppers is the exact opposite. For no reason too because if we wanted that role so bad, Marcus Williams was available later.

  • Steve

    “NFL players get paid to be NFL players”

    And domestic and sexual assaulters, and drug users, and a whole host of other things that are actually illegal, which being an activist is not. And there are pretty much zero concerns about them other than how well they play.

  • “Shut up and know your role” is, for me, a bit problematic in a democratic society. Is someone with an issue and a platform from which to capture the public eye/ear not supposed to speak up when they see a problem unless they are, what, a published author on the subject? Is there a minimum degree level that grants me permission to identify something I perceive to be an injustice? Do you keep quiet about the quality of schools, the amount of taxes you pay, the role of the US military at home and abroad, or America’s relationship with other countries? Because unless you are an elected official or an academic focused in those areas, by your logic, you have no right to address those issues outside of your own head. I’m even going to assume you aren’t a professional athlete either, and yet you feel you are the best judge of what they choose to speak on and and where. Where are your bona fides to justify that? Or is that just that you believe it to be your God-given, Constitutionally-supported right as a citizen of the United States of America to make your opinion known? Because, if that’s the case, then what makes you any different or more qualified that Colin Kaepernick to talk about his beliefs and experiences? You not agreeing with what another person has to say does not mean that they have no right to say it. If you want athletes to “stick to sports”, then I only hope you do the same and keep your opinions on anything outside your chosen profession to yourself. Because otherwise I’m afraid you are simply being hypocritical.

  • Steve

    “Actually, Kaep’s stats are similar to Hoyer’s 2013 and 2015 stats”

    So he’s as good as Hoyer used to be when Hoyer was good enough to be a legitimate starter. But Hoyer is no longer that good . . . so that would make Kaepernick not Hoyer’s level.

    That “not” stat of 49.5 QBR was good for 23rd in the league last year. That’s a starter. That’s not a great starter, and certainly not a long-term solution. But that is a starter, and far far better than the guys scraped off the bottom of the dumpster that are getting jobs.

  • Brandon Weeden is employed as a quarterback in the National Football League and Colin Kaepernick is not.

    Brandon. Weeden.

    That’s really all that needs to be said to illustrate the absurdity of this situation.

  • Every confidence I had in “Hue Jackson, Head Coach” has been steadily whittled away over the previous 20 or so games. The team is still undisciplined, still unfocused, and still incompetent in most every area of the game. I get the lack of talent, but again I ask: where is any evidence of Hue and Co. “controlling what they can control” week to week. Why does this team have to look consistently overmatched, not just physically/talent-wise, but on the fundamentals and the mental side of things? Why do we actively avoid playing to the strengths (limited though they may be) of our players? Every. Single. Week. I have long been a proponent of giving a regime time to establish its foundation, but following a sloppy 1-15 with an equally-if-not-more sloppy season in the 0-2 win range is just not acceptable when we see zero improvement week to week at the most basic of levels.

  • BenRM

    I’m not arguing that he shouldn’t have a job. He should. But so many people pretend that he’s like a REALLY GREAT QB! and he just isn’t.

    He’s fine. He’s a bottom tier starter.

  • Steve

    Who is saying that he’s a “REALLY GREAT QB!”?

  • RGB

    Combine it with the Polar Bear plunge?

  • Skulb

    I think you’re twisting things a bit. It is not about the right of a confused man to speak out, but about him being pathetically loud while not understanding what good activism is. I guess it takes an old activist like me to see just how stupid his alleged protest was. Most people have no idea what he was protesting in the first place now because that is not what has been the conversation since then, as I tried in vain to point out to you before you went on your little self righteous tirade against me. He sat, or quite possibly stood, for reasons forgotten. And now his former colleagues are sitting, quite possibly standing, for entirely different reasons. As and NFL player I must now sit, or stand, if anything whatsoever offends me, because the playing of the intro music is now Millennial Activism Time!
    Personally I am eagerly anticipating NRA players sitting or standing for, or against, unconstitutional gun legislation. Or sitting, possibly standing, for, or indeed against, abortion.
    And you can’t disapprove of that now that you’ve been so supportive of Colin Kaepernick sitting, or standing, for whatever he thought was offensive. That would make you a hypocrite, see?

    And that is the problem with this mindless alleged activism. It is not in the proper setting or form and is therefore open to unflattering interpretation. No context, see? No one can grab a mike and explain why they are standing or sitting I mean. Which is why a real activist would not do a protest right next to the American flag, unless of course they were protesting the USA, which there are many reasons to do for a lot of people. It gives critics the perfect excuse to distract from whatever the issue is, which you can’t explain because you don’t have a mike and because the intro music is playing quite loudly. Rosa Parks didn’t protest next to an American flag in an unrelated venue from the unjust rules she wanted to protest. She did it on the bus where those unjust rules were being enforced. Effective activism vs ineffective activism right there, and they do not deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence. You think that just because someone has a cause that you personally support the can be just as stupid as they want. I disagree.

    Want to protest police brutality? Fine; interface with the local police force, protest the PD outside their HQ, send public letters to local politicians. After all: you’re the Great Football Hero Copernicus, everyone must listen to you!

    Instead he stood, or possibly sat, next to a flag during the intro music to a sportsball event. A meaningless act not in any relation to whatever his beef was. This is self indulgent millennial poser activism, not real activism. And you can easily tell the two apart because the former isn’t being violently crushed by militarized police. I know. I was in Genoa when NATO invaded the place to stop legitimate protests against the illegitimate WTO. I know how to engage in activism, which is why I don’t take Kaepernick seriously. Apparently you don’t though. And neither does Colin Kaepernick.

  • Anyone who doesn’t know what Kaep’s motivation is for his protest is avoiding learning about it by their own choice at this point. He has explained his cause more than once for anyone who chooses to listen. You can’t force folks to listen, particularly in day and age when there are more ways than ever to climb into a bubble or bury one’s head in the sand than ever before. Of course I suspect you know that. I also suspect that, were the topic something more agreeable to you, that you would be able to offer ample evidence of the media’s ability to drive a conversation away from its intended destination. Attempts to refocus the narrative were met with calls to “move on already” or further attacks on the man’s character, so he decided to stick to meaningful work via charity and activism instead of shouting into the increasingly resentful void.

    I find it interesting that you’d assume I’d find an NRA or an abortion protest effort objectionable. I’ll admit it would require effort on my part to understand just what their issue was (in the case of the NRA) or that I might not agree with their cause, but the act of protest isn’t objectionable to me. Hate rallies like Charlottesville nauseate me, but that’s a horse of a whole different color.

    Your characterization of the man as “confused” as his efforts “pathetic” also leads me to believe that you aren’t/wouldn’t be receptive to his thoughts anyway, be it because you don’t like the implications they offer for society or because you don’t appreciate his sort of person calling attention to said issues. And your continued fixation on the location and timing of his protest, that there’s an “appropriate” time and place for such things, seems to miss an important point: Colin Kaepernick has a platform available to only a select number of people. I’m quite confident that, had Rosa Parks been a professional football player or a star in some other occupation that offered her the eyes of millions of people, coast to coast, 20 or so weeks out of the year that she would have been sitting there, too. As it was, she made do with what she had, and along with coordinated efforts of others made her point known. Someone on that bus probably had a coat on, but anyone who bothered to listen to why she sat didn’t confuse her efforts with a protest against outerwear! Likewise, Kaep’s proximity to a flag at the time of his gesture isn’t confusing anyone who takes the time to listen to his story. It’s a convenient dodge for those not interested in facing more serious and important issues. Lest we forget, it was a conversation with a veteran that led to the decision to take a knee during the anthem: a traditionally respectful gesture that still drew attention to the man, and therefore the issue.

    I don’t disagree that a more direct discussion with law enforcement might be beneficial, or that using traditional means of petitioning the government for change is unimportant. But to say the use of the grander platform granted him is somehow a negative is just foolish thinking to me. Do you mean to tell me that, had you the ability to draw millions to the cause you believed in strongly enough to travel abroad to defend, that you would have turned the opportunity down? I can’t help but think of any such refusal to make use of the available pulpit as irresponsible at best. For the average Joe or Jane, being physically present in the thick of the fight is as powerful as it gets. From someone with greater reach, more is needed.

    I’ll end with two things:

    1. If you don’t think violent action by militarized police forces against protesters is happening here in the good ol’ US of A, well then I’m not sure what you’ve been watching for the past several years.

    2. Don’t knock the ability of a confused man being pathetically loud while not understanding things to capture the public’s attention. Turns out, that sort of thing can get you a nice vacation home at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue these days.


    I think across the NFL, FS is one of the shallowest positions. You can find a replacement level strong anywhere, but free is just a much rarer skill set. Body has been playing some free, which has allowed Jabrill to get some box snaps, but we don’t have the corner depth to do that regularly (nor do I know if he’s even competent out there).


    I’m sorry but trading down is simply the best way to rebuild a franchise. If they continue to trade down one of their first rounders, they can have 2 first rounders every year for the indefinite future. This is how the patriots operated for years under Belichick and the only reason he doesn’t still do it, is because he’s routinely picking after 28.

    I understand the argument that you’d rather have Wentz or Watson than the guys we have, but we can literally turn that 1 1st round pick into 10 1st round picks if we’re patient. Besides, we’re not 1 impact player away from contention, so stay the course and eventually these blind squirrels will find their nuts.

    And I always feel the need to add, with a bad roster, draft best available player with every single selection, regardless of position.

  • Skulb

    I don’t disagree with any of this. But that is not the issue. I know better than Kaepernick does how real police brutality is and how savagely western “democratic” regimes suppress dissent of all kinds. First of all though this does not exclusively affect black people, which is a key part of his world view that is blatantly erroneous. But more importantly, I just know from my long years of activism some of the things that work and some of the things that do not. Protesting anything in the vicinity of the American flag is just asking for trouble, to take just one example. Unless you are protesting US foreign policy, which is what I often did and still do, this is mindless and inevitably futile activism precisely because it is such an easy dodge for detractors. Oh look at the nasty man not being suitably patriotic during our war propaganda pageant! He should be sent to Guantanamo! You’re basically walking right into this stuff both with the choice of venue and method of the protest because it is non-verbal so you can;t explain things on site and have to do it later when far fewer people are listening. The media even systematically calls it the “anthem protests” you’ll notice. So people are protesting the anthem? Hmm, that’s very interesting. We should definitely send them to Guantanamo now! It’s stupid, regardless of how you feel about the issue. With Parks there were no such issues because she was on the bus protesting segregation laws that were being enforced on the bus. Even the worst bigot could have no issue with her choice of venue or the method of her protest. So not stupid activism and people talked about what she wanted talked about as an immediate result. Kaepernick made us talk endlessly about flags and anthems.

    The cause and intention is completely indifferent to me. As an activist I could take one look at CK with his pig socks on and his rather fact free and incoherent locker room interviews and know in detail how it would turn out. It was going to be harmless and pointlessly divisive all along, because the issue was obviously not going to be whatever he tried to explain in the locker room. It was going to be the perception of a millionaire athlete being anti-American during what amounts to America’s two minute hate. The anthem rendition is there for people to pretend to be patriotic once a week, and how dare he protest while we’re doing it!?! Never mind that we’re dead drunk and have American flag bras on and American flags tattooed on our butts. And never mind that we use the anthem break to get a new beer from the fridge if we’re at home, or perhaps we are even scratching ourselves. Either way we never stand for the anthem while we’re in our living room. He hates America though!

    The world is stupid. People are stupid. And the more of them there are in a group the stupider they will become. If you want to do serious activism you have to consider this. Or you’ll get derailed by all sorts of nonsense. Like CK was. One issue, clearly stated and with your facts straight. Either racial profiling or police brutality. But not both at the same time. Now you can be derailed by probing questions, and your effort can be divided. And never do the protest near anything that can be perceived as insensitive or unpatriotic. It will be used against you at the earliest convenience. Graveyards, hospitals, schools and of course American flags. Activism 101. And for advanced activists there is more. If effective you will experience police provocateurs and other infiltrators whose job is to make you look bad. This is what I suspect happened in Charlottesville. All it takes is one provocateur throwing a molotov cocktail or breaking a window, or indeed chanting racist slogans, and the state will come crashing down. I have seen it a hundred times.

    And if you don’t think this happens routinely, you are extremely naive. it is the main method for suppressing dissent in western “democracies”. We’re essentially living in a for now soft police state.And we have been since the 1980s.

  • tigersbrowns2

    good post … this works as long as you draft well … so far , for Wentz : the Browns got (9 players) C.Coleman , S.Coleman , Kizer , Kessler , Kindred , Drango , R.Louis , J.Payton & Peppers … and we still have (2 picks) the Texans 1st round pick this year & the Eagles 2nd round pick this year.

    this is a pretty good haul , but they could’ve drafted better … they still have a chance to make good by nailing the 2 draft choices they still have from the trade.

  • tigersbrowns2

    good post.

  • “The world is stupid. People are stupid.”

    There, some common ground for us!

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