Fears in the Wake of Tragedy: While We’re Waiting
August 14, 2017Fifteen Years Without Playoffs
August 14, 2017The Cleveland Indians defeated the Tampa Bay Rays on Saturday, 3-0, as starter Mike Clevinger posted one of his strongest performances of the season and new acquisition Jay Bruce was instrumental for the offense. There is always a story within the story though and WFNY looks to take you inside Tropicana Field through the lens of long-time commentariat-stalwart and Tampa-resident, B-bo.
Tell us a bit about yourself
Proud son of the great state of Ohio, forced from the state to pursue the career I love. Now residing in Florida, where I do my best to educate young minds while obsessing over Cleveland sports, the Buckeyes, and good whiskey.
My secret identity is Will Bryson. It’s actually not a very good secret, so feel free to share.
How horrendous is the location of Tropicana Field? What makes it the wrong spot for a ballpark? Or, do you think the reports have been overblown?
The number one complaint among folks in these parts is that attending the game requires venturing to St. Petersburg. It’s not so much a problem of St. Pete itself, which is working to appeal to a younger demographic with microbreweries, new restaurants, and a growing music scene. There’s also the Dali Museum and Al Lang Stadium nearby (home of the Tampa Bay Rowdies, a potential MLS addition in the near future). In a vacuum, Tropicana Field is in a perfectly reasonable location for a stadium. The greater issue is getting to St. Petersburg, which requires venturing across the bay. Options for doing so are limited (pick a miles-long bridge and pray) and congested (especially during the week) plus Floridians have a notorious inability to operate automobiles in a safe or sane manner. A nightmarish hellscape that perhaps only Dante could adequately describe. Coming from the North is somewhat less awful, but not by a large margin. You think the greater Cleveland area has traffic issues? US-19 would like a word. The popular alternative is, of course, to put a new stadium in Tampa. But exactly no part of that process is easy, whether it’s finding a location, deciding who will pay, or contract issues with the city of St. Pete. A new stadium solution would surprise me far more than a decision to relocate the team entirely out of Florida.
The ballpark itself, well…
It’s not a destination spot. A dome is absolutely necessary in this state (someone needs to tell the Bucs), but this is one of those early 90s, generic, dull, utilitarian structures. If you’re looking for character, this is not the place for you. The kindest thing I can say of the Trop (besides praising its air-conditioned interior) is that they finally have legitimate field turf in there, as opposed to relying on what appeared to be either discarded pieces from local driving range mats cobbled together or that green rug material that my aunt and uncle used to cover the deck where they parked their RV when I was 12. Didn’t exactly scream “professional facility.” If you ever for a second question how good we have it as Tribe fans at the Jake, come on down and see this mausoleum for yourself.
The Tampa Bay Rays are often the team writers refer to when suggesting possible relocations. Is there a strong base of diehard Rays fans that would be hurt hard by such a move?
There is a genuine passion for the game of baseball to be found in the Tampa Bay area, one fostered by decades as a destination for spring training (the Blue Jays and Phillies on the west side of the bay, the Yankees on the east, all within a roughly 20 mile span) and the presence of strong high school and collegiate programs; locally and throughout the state. And in their 20 year existence, the Rays have undoubtedly developed a loyal following that would find itself stung by a potential relocation. But, the reason such talk persists is that the diehard portion of the base is simply not large enough with both attendance (notoriously low) and tv ratings (declining markedly since 2010) showing worrisome trends for a franchise attempting to compete with the Yankees and Red Sox year in and year out. Even their World Series run in 2008 failed to do much for long-term popularity in the region.
There are a variety of factors working against them (Florida being populated largely by folks with shallow roots in the state and loyalties to their native teams, location/quality of their stadium, an older population not looking to spend on pro sports) that are worthy of greater discussion, but the bottom line is this: if the Rays leave tomorrow, the vast majority of folks in the area will move on with relative ease and speed because they have plenty of options and most aren’t hardcore fans of the team anyway (I’d miss the chance to catch the Tribe when they’re in town, but that’s it).
It’s an issue most pro sports franchises face being in this state.
How many games of the series the Cleveland Indians were in town to face the Rays did you attend? Do you have a normal location in the ballpark you like to sit? Any other traditions of going there (restaurants nearby, routines you follow that day, etc.)?
This year was unusual for me in that I was only able to attend one game of the four-game set. It’s that magical time of year when the students return to school, and so I was occupied with work responsibilities. Those seasons that bring the Tribe to town during my off times will find me in the air-conditioned comfort of the Tropicana Field stands at least twice. In addition, I’ll wander in for random, non-Tribe games 4-5 times a season just to get out to a ballgame.
Most years I’ve managed to get seats directly behind the visitor’s dugout at least once when Cleveland is in town. Those seats can generally be had for $90-100 a piece (don’t try for these seats when the Yanks or Sox visit unless you’re willing to take out a mortgage), which is worth it for the chance to interact with the players and coaches, especially before the game. In recent years I’ve had the chance to get autographs from Sandy Alomar Jr. and Asdrubal Cabrera, as well as a ball from Carlos Santana. My niece (a catcher herself) was especially excited to get an autograph from and talk a little shop with Yan last summer. Most other times the destination is the $15 seats waaaay out in left known as the Party Deck, an area offering a greater variety of food and beverage options than the rest of the park (think The Corner at the Jake, but to a lesser extent).
The traditional post-game stop is Ferg’s, a popular sports bar just north of the stadium with a ton of televisions, a nice selection of beverages, and some damn fine wings.
You mentioned online that Abraham Almonte made the day of a young fan on Saturday. Can you describe what happened?
Almonte would spend the down time prior to the bottom of each inning tossing the ball and getting loose with one of the ball boys along the third base line before trotting into defensive position. There was a group seated directly behind us with two young children, the younger of whom was especially eager to put his glove to use. The first row was largely empty at that point, so the boy’s father asked if he could come stand at the railing, the boy climbed over the vacated seat next to me. After showing off some dance moves, the boy started waving to get Almonte’s attention. Finally as Abe turned to take his position in left, everyone in our section started yelling to him and pointing to the boy. Abe looked back to home then ran over to the warning track below us and pointed to the section, smiled, and shouted something up in Spanish. The boy’s family began talking excitedly and told the boy “He’s coming back! Get ready!”
Abe came back prior to the bottom of the fourth and tossed the little guy a ball, which was snared just before winding up in someone’s beer. He then tossed another ball up for the other child who had been more shy about it all. You’d be hard pressed to see two happier kids in any circumstance. That four year old spent the rest of the game clutching to ball in his glove and yelling each time Almonte took the field. The whole group definitely had a new favorite player after that moment (though they certainly did love Lindor as well).
How was the rest of the game? What were your favorite plays/moments? Anyone in particular stick out watching live that surprised you?
Pitching most certainly dominated the proceedings, which made for a somewhat muted crowd. Tribe fans were very much in the house though…
Clevinger had the breaking ball working, and the only time you really felt he was in trouble was defused by Perez. I’ve rarely been as confident of anything as I was of Perez cutting down that attempted steal of third. Souza’s catch at the wall in right on Lindor was a heck of a play, and Encarnacion’s blast to center would have been over the wall pretty much anywhere else in that park. Also, Zimmer is T-A-L-L, and the red uniforms with the crooked-C hats are spectacular.
Really appreciate and enjoy the opportunity to share the experience. Tried to keep my tendency to ramble under control. Many thanks!
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Huge thanks to B-Bo or providing such great, detailed content. Such good stuff and the links embedded were ones he dug up and provided.
Wow, the Tribe’s Bloody Mary uni and whatever the heck that was the Rays were wearing had to make for the worst sartorial combination of the year — or at least until later this month when Cleveland plays TB in the game of football.
Thanks, B-bo. Well done. (And now I get the nickname!)
I drove down from Jax for the weekend, saw the games Sat and Sun.
– “90s utilitarian” is high praise for the Trop, and about as accurate as it gets. About the nicest thing they did there was open up the outfield stands a few years back that let you walk around and still see the game. Previously, it was basically old muni-style – if you needed to move or get drinks or something, you’re cut off from the game until you walk back through the tunnel. I say it every time I go..it’s a total dive, but it beats no baseball.
– While we have fun talking about how few people show up, I do want to give some serious credit to a group of Rays fans in our section in left field Saturday night. There were probably about 15-20 of them having fun with some soccer-style chants that were good natured and rather funny. I mean, granted the guy leading it was dressed up like a furry, but it was all in good fun and the Rays would be well served for more fans like that.
– Something that doesn’t help attendance is their pricing structure. Holy crap – cheapest seat was $30 in the Party Deck, then $34 which covers the entire outfield and all the upper deck. If any place could take a lesson from the Tribe’s Corner Ticket, it’s this one. Maybe it was one of those flex pricing things with the Tribe in town, but I was amazed at the prices.
– One of the biggest things that sucks about the Trop is the sea of parking around it separating it from anything cool and useful. We hit up Fergs pre-game Sunday (oh my God, never again), but there are at least 4 decent microbreweries and a bunch of restaurants in walking distance once you’re outside the parking lots. St Pete seems to really be trying, but the stadium is so cut off from everything, and who wants to walk to the beers in 100 degree heat.
– As an aside, for those that are interested, Cycle Brewing lives up to it’s rep for quality. 3 Daughters was the most enjoyable environment and beer setup. And Pinellas Ale Works was unknown (at least to us going down) and a total hidden gem.
– I’d estimate the crowd was roughly 1/3 Tribe fans, especially on Sunday. I kept joking the only thing that was missing from it being a home game was John Adams and his drum. Friends said some of the Tribe fan chants were coming through loud and clear on the broadcast.
Great piece guys, thanks.
Fan experience aside, I’m surprised MLB has not intervened regarding the roof color. They require specific background colors for pitch backgrounds, why they allow a white roof is beyond me.
Couldn’t find it this morning on a quick search, but Bauer’s video of playing long toss in the Trop was my favorite of his productions. You just didn’t see the ball until it was almost upon you.
Every game had at least one routine flyball lost by very good MLB pros. Most were caught, but not all, and it hurt the Rays as well as the Tribe. Don’t get it.
Hammy and Rosey mentioned all you Tribe fans many times during their broadcasts over the weekend.
Nice job by you and B-bo.
Uribe & Frankie sharing a laugh last year over a foul flyball lost though will forever be one of my favorite Tribe memories, so there is that.
Great stuff ClemJax. I’ve been pretty critical of the Q money proposals on the table, but I must say, overall Gateway has gotten it mostly right. Access in and out is really very good, and there are plenty of walking distance places to go before or after a game.
Once people get to their car and wind in or out of the sea of traffic, chances of stopping by locally have to decrease pretty dramatically. I’d rather stop at the local pub a mile from my house on the way home, than drive to another place downtown, then drive home.
This is a little magnified at the Trop (by no means exclusive to them – Jacksonville has an identical problem for Jags games). The city sets up the traffic directions to do one thing – expedite people getting back to the interstate. Roads closed in certain directions, cones laid out to enforce where to turn, etc. It’s almost as if they’re screaming “thanks for coming to the game, now get out of town as fast as possible.”
Much appreciated, sir
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-Whereabouts were you on Saturday? Because we definitely heard the chants nearby. I’m seeking those guys out next time I go for a non-Tribe-involved game for sure.
-Too late now, but Ferg’s post-game is definitely a bit more navigable than pre-game, I think due to the exact parking situation you described. The city is really hyping up the microbrew scene, and those spots are doing it right for the most part. Ale Works is news to me and is now on the list. Should you ever venture north of St. Pete, Dunedin and Palm Harbor are both bringing a strong micro game as well (partial to de Bine myself).
-What you saw of the crowd is pretty typical when the Tribe rolls into town. And when the Yanks or Sox come in, they may as well be playing at home. Also, is this is true of the times the Bears visit the Bucs as well, but Chicago folks always bring strong representation. Definitely feel bad for the home team at times.
Jacksonville was one of my favorite visitor tailgating experiences ever: friendly, generous fans (the Browns not being much threat likely helps), good food, scenery…just a fun atmosphere. Nothing beats the way we do it for the Browns, but it was a good time for sure.
And if you’ve never been completely lost in St. Pete for 30-40 minutes after a Rays game, I don’t believe you’ve ever truly been to a Rays game. It’s entirely too complex trying to get out of there.
Can’t have good answers without good questions, so props to Mr. Bode for doing that heavy lifting.
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