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McShay’s updated Mock lands the Browns with Garrett, Watson

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As we near the late-April NFL Draft, who the Cleveland Browns are taking with the No. 1 pick is becoming less and less of a guess thanks to Myles Garrett using the NFL Combine to create a chasm between himself and whomever goes at No. 2. But with that mystery slowly being removed, the focus turns to the No. 12 pick where the Browns are expected to take one of a handful of quarterbacks or the best safety or cornerback available.

With this 12th pick being as big of a wild card as any, it is with great interest we report the latest from Todd McShay that gives the Browns the quarterback of their future to go with the best edge rusher in this 2017 rookie class.

 1. Cleveland Browns

Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M

The Browns shouldn’t overthink this: Garrett is the best pure pass-rusher — and one of the best overall athletes — in the draft. His freakish combine numbers (4.64 40-yard dash and a 41-inch vertical at 272 pounds) cemented his status as the No. 1 overall pick, in my opinion. Garrett can fit into any scheme. He’s a transcendent-type player.

None of this should be a surprise at this point. We’ve talked about Garrett ad nauseum here, and will continue to do so as the draft nears. Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams recently spoke about Garrett as if he were already on the team.

With No. 12, however, McShay has the Browns landing a player who has been mocked to go anywhere from No. 2 down to the second round in Clemson’s DeShaun Watson despite a caveat that the team may not use this selection on a quarterback at all.

12. Cleveland Browns (from Eagles)

Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson

I’m not convinced Cleveland will use this pick on a quarterback, but it would make some sense, especially after landing Garrett at No. 1 overall. Watson will need time adjust to a pro-style system, but he has the tools to grow into a good starter in the NFL if developed and utilized properly.

Speculation surrounding analytics tend to side with Watson over others due to his sample size. Those who are a bigger fan of Mitch Trubisky compared to Watson will see the Mentor product go 25th to Houston. Physical Specimen Patrick Mahomes does not go in the top 32, meaning he would conceivably be there with the first pick in the second round if the Browns wanted to go a different direction.

Defenders who have been mocked to the Browns at the No. 12 spot include LSU’s Jamal Adams (who McShay has going third to Chicago) and Ohio State’s Malik Hooker (seventh to Los Angeles). On the offensive side of the ball, Alabama’s O.J. Howard goes fourth to Jacksonville, and Clemson’s Mike Williams goes 18th to Tennessee.

Sporting News recently mocked the same pair of players to the Browns. Others have linked the Browns to Michigan’s Jabril Peppers and Florida’s Teez Tabor. It’s worth noting that this draft does not include any trades (which are bound to happen), but if anything, this affirms that no one knows what the Browns are thinking with the No. 12 pick.

  • Jeff

    I highly doubt they’ll go with Watson after his pro day. Slow release and lacked accuracy on low to mid range passes. They expect that whoever is managing him will have to make excuses about tendinitis, etc to explain it, but I suspect teams will want to have him examined to confirm any medical issues limiting his ball velocity and accuracy.

    I would not be surprised if no QBs go prior to #12 and I don’t think any are worth such value. Trubisky, Watson, and Kizer all have some serious issues and so does everyone behind them.

    Josh Dobbs may be the best long term prospect, though he won’t have an impact immediately. He does well in just about everything and has the best mind of all the QBs, graduating in Aerospace Engineering. Davis Webb is another solid pick.

    If I were the Browns, I would hold off on the QB until the 2nd round and hope to get Webb with my #2 pick in round 2 and then take Dobbs in the 4th or 5th. Hedge the bets and either sign a vet or keep Osweiler on the roster for a year with Kessler.

  • Harv

    This Silly Season I am trying to avoid the deluge of mock drafts, both by the “respected analysts” and the master clickbaiters. I’m waiting for someone with passion and relentless granular focus to rank the mockers’ credibility, their so-called “expertise,” based on their accuracy in previous years. Are you the Ukranian who cited inside sources that the Browns were trading up to pick Geno Smith? Back to your maty’s basement, you.

    Who will throw WFNY some cutting edge analyst analytics? Who is brave enough to take the first steps toward internet quality control? Who loves the draft with all their soul, and accepts truth wherever it is found?

    [“Paging Dr. Bode … Dr. Bode … “]

  • mgbode

    I rank WFNY Michael Bode as the prestigious “Mock Drafter, PhD” and WFNY Joe Gilbert as “Mock Drafter, PhD, Distinguished”

    All other mock drafts have been rated as adjunct professorship.

  • Garry_Owen

    Well said. If ever there was a draft that allowed the Browns to ignore the temptation to over-reach on a QB and actually focus on building the team, this is that draft.

  • Garry_Owen

    If you measure success by whether they accurately predicted where a guy would be taken, they’ll just say that it’s impossible to predict what every team of smart football people are thinking. If you measure success by how accurately they predicted a guy’s potential as an NFL player, they’ll just say that if 32 teams couldn’t figure it out, then they can’t be expected to figure it out. There is no way to win with these draft “gurus.” They are the Borg; we must assimilate.

  • Harv

    I don’t care a fig about their response. I care whether there is any reason for me to seriously consider what they write or proclaim with such authority. If it’s all fun made-up nonsense, well, I have enough of my own sports nonsense already rattling around up there. That’s where “there is growing speculation” lives.

  • Garry_Owen

    I generally think that if we’re not already confident in their predictions, then there’s no reason to wonder if we should be.

  • Chris

    Eric Galko’s is undergrad on academic probation

  • tsm

    BPA at 12 and Mahomes at 33. If necessary trade up to end of first round to get him.

  • Garry_Owen

    If they were content to wait until the second round to get a guy, then I’d think that it’s not worth the cost to move back up into the first to get that same guy. If he’s not there in the second where you were hoping to take him, then he’s not there. Time to move on.

  • mgbode

    it is more that there aren’t many teams looking at QB from the teens until early 20s, so you’d maximize assets by taking somebody at 12 and moving up OR by moving down from 12 a few slots

  • Garry_Owen

    Sure, though I wouldn’t move UP from 12 to get a QB. Down? Fine, I guess. (I’d still rather they stay put, draft talent, and avoid QB at all, at least in the 1st round.) I just don’t think it’s worth the cost to move up from 1st pick in the 2nd round to go back into the 1st round to get a guy that isn’t valued as a 1st rounder. That cost has to be pretty high, no? If I’m trading picks, I’m trading to get back into the 1st round next year, where I can package picks to get the best QB then.

  • mgbode

    Might cost 33 & 52 to get QB in the 20s
    Might gain pick 50-60 to trade down into late teens

    So:
    12 + 24 picks
    or
    18 + 33 + 52 + 55

    What I would want the Browns to do would greatly depend on who dropped to 12. Two elite talents would be better than one and three second tier guys. But, if there isn’t someone there at 12 worth taking? By all means…

  • tigersbrowns2

    hi MG … i saw Daniel Jeremiah’s mock last night & he had us taking Garrett & O.J. Howard at #12 … not too bad. i like ANY position player at #12 that can come in & start right away … anything but QB at #12.

  • Garry_Owen

    Do you mean some QB worth taking at 12, or any player worth taking at 12? I think none of the QBs are elite or worth taking at 12, but I’m absolutely convinced there will be “an” elite player that drops to 12.

  • tigersbrowns2

    could we be acquiring / saving-up all this “draft capital” to go after USC QB Sam Darnold next year ??

  • mgbode

    “other” player – in this discussion with you we were contemplating we didn’t need to take a QB at 12, so we could either trade down from 12 or trade up from 33

  • tigersbrowns2

    heck , i’d still like to see us MOVE UP from #12 if we have a chance to land Adams or Allen.

  • mgbode

    w/ Allen’s shoulders, decent chance he is there at 12

  • mgbode

    I won’t mind QB if the guy Hue wants is there

  • mgbode

    folly – if Darnold proves he is worth No. 1 overall pick, then whoever gets that pick is going to keep it. if he doesn’t, then you just wasted a year. no worth that type of risk.

  • Garry_Owen

    Gotcha!

  • tigersbrowns2

    it just can’t be Watson though … if he is truly in love with 1 of the other 3 , i’m okay with taking them at #12 … i suppose.

    if any of you don’t like Kessler , you definitely won’t like Watson … he may be athletic , but …

  • tigersbrowns2

    not if we offer them all 3 of our 2nd round picks next year & our 1st round pick in 2018 !!

  • Garry_Owen

    I didn’t go to Harvard (shoot, I’m lucky to spell it correctly), but I’d bet that the guys that did are angling to have 2 picks in next year’s 1st round. Maybe not to try to get Darnold. But maybe.

  • Garry_Owen

    Yeah, as much as I don’t want to do it, this is generally where I land. If Hue really wants the guy, the coach should get what he wants.

  • mgbode

    I prefer Mahomes, but I think Trubisky fits what Hue values in a QB more

    also both Mitchell and Patrick are more athletic than Desean

  • mgbode

    I do not always agree with that approach but in this circumstance, yes.

  • paulbip

    There may be a chance to take Foster at 12 now.

  • Jaker

    A month ago I would have loved this, but now I’m not so sure. MG no brainer, but Watson, especially with every QB still available, worries me a bit. If none of those top tier defenders are there, I’d be ok with Howard or Davis or choice of QB. But Mahomes at 33 (or trade up for Trubisky) and a stud at 12 makes more sense to me.

  • Jaker

    While he’s a stud, I think he’s too much of a luxury pick. Kirksey and Collins are both great LBs and the need for a 3rd LB isn’t that high.

  • Jaker

    you’ve mentioned this in the past, and I love the idea (if we decide to go QB), but the reasoning would be more difficult than just “trade down”… someone would need to LOVE someone to move up 6 spots. And I’m not sure who we would be passing on who is so great for some other team but not good enough for us…

  • mgbode

    There were 7 trades involving a first-round pick in the 2016 draft alone. GM’s are itchy on the trigger fingers, so I don’t think finding a partner would be too big of an issue. Maybe somebody loves Mike Williams but we worry about him w/o an elite QB. Maybe someone isn’t worried about Jon Allen’s shoulders but we are. As always, lots of variables.

  • scripty

    The only really great mock drafter ever was Dallas writer Rich Gosselin, and that was because he was quietly and old school with impeccable industry contacts. And he’d get about 10 right int he first round. He hasn’t done one in 6-7 years.

  • scripty

    Note – ONLY if this was discussed on the terms of his hiring. For a 2nd round pick, no way. This is the roadmap of massive front office discord.

  • scripty

    There was a while I thought I could envision the Browns trading down from 12 to the 20s and adding a 2, then trading the #1 to NE. I am past this scenario now, though.

  • scripty

    I generally agree but this FO isn’t attached to Kirskey.

  • jshmeezy6

    Mayock is awesome, too. But he only releases his once, right before the draft.

  • jshmeezy6

    I feel like if they pick a QB at 12 or 33, it was Hue’s influence because he thinks he can coach a guy up. If thats the case, then I’m comfortable with that decision. But I’m not a fan of Deshaun Watson since Bode’s stat about his velocity, especially when compared with Kessler’s or Colt McCoy’s. I’d rather they skipped the position this draft altogether.

  • RGB

    Ok, back from NOLA, and ready to get back to silly season…
    #1. There is only MYLES.
    #12. Since I can’t see McShay’s complete mock, I don’t know who he passed on for Watson.
    But, in any case:
    1. NO QB at #12. No, no, no.
    2. We won’t be picking at #12. Traders gonna trade.

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  • BenRM

    The pro day that neither Sashi nor Hue attended no less. I also like Dobbs. Loved him in college. But I don’t think he has the physical tools to make it.

  • Jaker

    That is true. I don’t doubt that this plan would work, I just see it as more of the Ultra-best case scenario which never really happens for us. But man if they are able to do that, that would be insane.

    The way I see it, they have one too many holes to fill, and one more pick on day 2 could be the difference between leaving the draft with a major hole vs feeling satisfied. CB, S, DT, Myles, QB and WR cannot be addressed with the first five picks. Once we reach round 4, the amount of starting players really starts to fall off. I really wish they consider your proposal as an actual option (unless Malik Hooker is at 12)

  • JNeids

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    That’s what makes him awesome.

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  • Jeff

    Dobbs measureables are all there. He’s fast, has solid footwork, etc. Very smart. He was very good at the combine and considered the most balanced of the QBs. The problem is that he does a lot in the good to well categories but is not excellent in anything. Some believe that he’ll be able to improve there.

    I wouldn’t draft him high, but he’s worth a look late, especially with the Browns having so many draft assets. He could surprise in a year or two, but he’s not going to be a instant starter.

  • Jeff

    I wouldn’t skip the position under the right circumstances. At 33, I’d think about Mahomes if he’s there. He has the best upside in this draft. Late 2nd, I’d take Webb. I stay away from Trubisky, Kizer, and Watson. I consider Trubisky or Kizer if they drop into the 2nd.

    Remember that the staff got a lot of time with Webb and Dobbs, so that will influence them.

  • BenRM

    I thought I remembered reading there are questions about his accuracy and velocity. But I can’t find the scouting report I read that led me to believe that.

  • Jeff

    https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tennessee-football/tennessee-qb-joshua-dobbs-impressed-scouts-intelligence-combine/

    His accuracy is the biggest issue and much of it is related to his problems reading zone coverage. Many of his flaws the scouts believe can be coached up. He also does have the speed (4.64 40) and can turn (6.75 seconds on the three cone drill).

    At 6’3, he’s also one that could conceivably be moved to WR if he doesn’t work at QB.

    One thing noted about Dobbs is his long strides. He ends up about 1-2 yards deeper in the pocket on his drops due to his long strides, giving him more room to read.

    I like him as a developmental guy. I think the smart thing is to draft two. One earlier, one later.