Loving DeShone Kizer for intangibles: While We’re Waiting

What’s up everyone? Happy first Friday of 2017 to you! I am refreshed after the holiday season and I’m ready to hit the ground running in 2017. You can help us run even faster if you help support via Patreon, but that’s just a quick plug this week. I want to talk about the NFL draft and quarterbacks.

DeShone Kizer is my top QB choice…

I’m not an NFL scout or even a good amateur talent evaluator. Like most of you, I watch a lot of football and I also do some real minor scouting via YouTube as well just so I can feel like I’ve seen guys play. I’ve had a good look at game film on Mitch Trubisky, Deshaun Watson, and DeShone Kizer, and if I have to pick one of the three it’s going to be Kizer. I’m not talking about first overall. In fact, I can’t really figure how they’re going to slot in the value of all other picks in the first two rounds. I’m simply saying if I have to pick a quarterback and those three are my options, I’m choosing Kizer.

All three quarterbacks have intriguing characteristics that make me think they can bring something to an NFL roster. Deshaun Watson is my least favorite of the three. He brings a dangerous athleticism, but I have a tough time seeing him translate as well to the NFL as Trubisky or Kizer. Trubisky is especially intriguing because we’ve watched him play for so long. I actually remember him dazzling local cable audiences in the playoffs with Mentor in his high school days. He’s got a nice mix of passing ability and running ability. His college stats this season for UNC are phenomenal completing more than 68% of his passes with 30 TDs to just six interceptions. Trubisky is a very desirable candidate in many ways.

Kizer ended up catching my eye because of how bad a season Notre Dame had. Kizer shows all the physical abilities you want to see and has incredible touch throwing to spots, but he wasn’t able to show it as much as he would have liked in 2016. He threw for 26 TDs and nine interceptions, but his team only won four games. He was sacked 25 times. And yet with all this struggle I saw his interviews and he handled it all with grace and professionalism.

As we’ve learned over the years with guys like Johnny Manziel and even Derek Anderson, playing quarterback in the NFL requires an ability to be tough mentally. You have to be able to deal with adversity and leave your gasoline can at home when the drama inferno is raging around you. Tim Couch and Colt McCoy struggled with that in their own ways as well as members of the Browns. In addition to the physical measurables that show up in box scores and at the NFL combine, DeShone Kizer seems to have those interview intangibles that reduces a lot of the down-side risk, at least in my mind.

But what do I know? We’ll see if he’s even an option for the Browns at any point, presuming they don’t use the very first pick in the draft on a quarterback. If you put any credence in the MMQB Mock, the Browns will get Myles Garrett and DeShone Kizer. Let’s just say I think I could deal with that first round.

Weekly moment of soccer zen…

All about that pass game today!

Song of the week by Nirvana…

I heard “You Know You’re Right” on the radio while I was on vacation and it sent me into a spiral where I listened to that song on repeat for a whole day. When Kurt Cobain screams “Things have never been so swell, I have never failed to fail” on the way into the second chorus it’s just one of those moments in music that makes me realize why I love music. You may not like Nirvana, but this is the kind of moment that’s everything to me.

  • scripty

    Worth noting, that the ND coach is an awful guy who’s run at UC was off D’Antonio’s work there and has slowly ruined ND.

    Kizer is tainted by Kelly and could have more value due to inferior coaching.

  • RGB

    Obligatory off-topic…
    PJ Fleck to the Gophers. The B1G just a got a little more interesting.

  • scripty

    You’re 30 picks to early there. There’s 3 centers of equal value. No need to go so high there.

  • scripty

    Bruce Gradkowski is already on the loser QB jersey, no?

    /girl I sat next to at work for a while, banged Gradkowski at college and was constantly texting him and trying to hook up with him again. So I developed a hatred for him due to how annoying she was.

  • The_Matt_of_Akron

    Regardless of whether he was involved in the altercation (supposedly video exists proving he is not), he was up and about at 2:55 am on a Game Day.

    Party like a Brown.

  • tigersbrowns2

    i still think he was the best QB ever at Toledo … and he did turn it into an NFL career … he now owns a ritzy restaurant here in Toledo … and he did bang that chick in college … not all bad.

  • Garry_Owen

    Absolutely. I have generally liked ND since the Holtz days, but I cannot cheer for them now. Kelly is horrible. The guy doesn’t take responsibility for anything – from gameday losses to practice conditions that led to the death of a student assistant. I have never seen a guy so prone to blaming everyone but himself. If I had a kid being recruited by major schools, ND would be off the list simply due to Kelly. I hope they do something soon to separate themselves from him.

  • tigersbrowns2

    hi GARRY … another losing season next year will definitely get him the boot.

  • tigersbrowns2

    … and i never expected Gradkowski to be more than a good back-up … he’s only on that jersey because he ended-up having to start a few games due to injuries.

  • NankirPhelge

    I’ve been a life-long Notre Dame fan (old family tradition), but I can’t stand Kelly. I’m sure he preaches that players must have poise and self-control and overcome adversity, but then he goes all red-faced Krakatoa a half dozen times a game when things don’t go his way.

    Add in the fact that ND dumped traditional rivals Michigan and Purdue and basically joined the ACC, and I don’t care about them anymore.

  • Jason Miller

    Native Toledoan here. Bruce was the best QB UT ever had, from Pittsburgh. Kizer is a native Toledoan who started at ND. There’s a difference.

  • tigersbrowns2

    hi JASON … welcome to the board. i am very aware Bruce is from Pittsburgh … i believe i said he was the best QB ever AT Toledo … not FROM.

  • tigersbrowns2

    … now i see where you might’ve got that notion … SCRIPTY interjected Gradkowski’s name into this thread after my post about Toledo … sorry for any misunderstanding..

  • Garry_Owen

    I know this is little and dumb, but I also don’t like the new super shiny chrome gold helmets. They already had the best helmets in CFB. There was no need to take it to 11.

  • nj0

    It happened at in the wee hours of the morning on 31st. The game was on the 1st. So travel day, not game day.


    There were not many bigger “winners” in college than Ken Dorsey, and we all know how that turned out.

  • Agreed. I hate intangibles alone. I like Kizer physically and I like some of his tape. The intangibles put him over the top for me.

  • Jeremy Humbert

    Maybe Kizer is on the road to Brady’redemption. If they get him, and he works out, I’m all for it 🙂 Plus, it would make the new IRISH hoody I got for Christmas connect with my Browns hat a bit more…

  • Jeremy Humbert

    Then that sheds light on Kesslers’ intangible status, the fact that he won many, many games, dispite what he had to over come with his coaching carousel

  • tigersbrowns2

    then best case scenario might be if Kizer slides a little & the Browns can jump back into the mid-to-late 1st round & get him as our 3rd pick of the draft , but i’ve got a feeling D.Watson will be the one who slides.

    looks like the 49ers (#2) & Bears (#3) could go QB early in the draft … if they do , i think Kizer goes to the Bears #3 overall.

  • mgbode

    so, you are saying we should trade up to Pick No. 22 and draft a QB?

  • tigersbrowns2

    any number but 22 !!

  • Saggy

    Charlie Frye, Colt McCoy, and Brady Quinn had intangibles, too.

    No to Kizer. NO.

    He’s like Dan Marino without the cannon arm, quick release, and ability to read the field.

  • Saggy

    that certain something.