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Rex Grossman doesn’t make Brian Hoyer expendable

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I was listening to Kiley and Booms this morning and Chuck Booms was entertaining the idea that Grossman’s arrival actually makes Brian Hoyer trade bait. It’s hard to believe that Grossman could be that ready considering his last regular season NFL snap came for the Washington Redskins in 2011. Then again, I didn’t really think that I’d be looking at pictures of Grossman in a Browns uniform a couple weeks ago.

Still, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Mike Pettine was asked by Tony Grossi directly yesterday if Grossman made Hoyer expendable. Pettine didn’t really take a lot of time when he said “No.”

The Cleveland Browns have needed more than one quarterback in a season pretty much every season ever. The idea that they could be so fickle as to pick up a guy who hasn’t played in the regular season in two seasons and get rid of the pre-training-camp incumbent starter, is hopefully a storyline from dysfunctional days gone by and not a realistic part of the Ray Farmer future.

Hopefully the trade talk is nothing more than the inane rantings of a comedian with nothing but a headline-grabbing take.

  • Clown Baby

    I tried listening to that show once. I have no idea how anyone can do it for a prolonged period. I guess I’m just not built to handle all of those HOT TAKES.

  • Natedawg86

    One of my friends suggested that maybe the Browns will trade Hoyer. Farmer is too smart to trade Hoyer for what he would get back in a trade. Who would trade for him? Texans? Titans?

  • TNB

    Is Grossman filling the role that was once Ken Dorsey?

    Yes. Lets move along.

  • MrCleaveland

    Oh no, Grossman is wearing the dreaded No. 3. Nothing good can come of this. They should unofficially retire that cursed number.

  • TNB

    The only way I see the Browns trading Hoyer is if a team is injury strapped and thinks he’d be an instant ‘fit’ to fix a hole and overpays, sort of how the Colts did with Richardson. Otherwise, they’ll hang onto him at least until they see Manziel legitimately beat him out.

  • MrCleaveland

    Yeah, they need someone to share reps with Shaw for the last exhibition game.

  • cmm13

    If that A&E show Intervention is still around you should probably give them a call… sounds like your friend needs help.

  • cmm13
  • Pat Leonard

    It’s not like Hoyer is on a bad contract… it makes sense to keep him at a reasonable price as the backup, even if Manziel is the starter. I think it’d be naive to go into the season thinking that either Hoyer or Manziel will play all 16 games without missing any due to injury, and I think we can all agree that we don’t want to see Rex Grossman in a real game unless 2 QBs go down in the same game.

  • mgbode

    Yeah, the Texans are the logical candidate. Now, I would never have a player truly off the table, but it would take a ton for Houston to get him.

    Now, if they came up and offered a 1st & 3rd 2015 pick for Hoyer, then they’d certainly have my attention. Of course, they never would offer that much and it’d be crazy protected if they did. t

    Still, they are 1 year removed from the AFC Championship game and have a complete black hole at QB.

  • hoyer wont sign for ‘reasonable backup’ money.

    1. he’s not the backup.
    2. his agent just won a similar game of chicken vs ozzie in baltimore. (hoyer and flacco have same agent.)

    sign him now for starter (alex smith) money.
    or sign him at the end of the year for dalton (or, more likely, cutler) money.
    or roll the dice with manziel.

    but let’s all stop the ‘reasonable backup contract’ talk. that ship has sailed.

  • Natedawg86

    1st and 3rd next year would be very hard to pass up…

  • Pat Leonard

    Well sir, I was only talking about this season. He would be the backup in the situation that Manziel wins the starting job, which is what I mentioned above. Not a given, but a possibility. I have no idea what happens after this season. In the situation I highlighted above, it’s going to be very hard for Hoyer’s agent to argue that he deserves to be paid “Dalton Money” when his client just spent the year backing up a rookie and playing minimal snaps.

    Back to the point at hand, are you saying to trade Hoyer because you don’t want to have to pay him big money on his next contract? What is your angle here, friend?

  • Natedawg86

    Agree, but should we figure out who our starter will be before we spend ~$25M for 3 years on Hoyer?

  • i say sign hoyer now. (and said same in april.)

    the problem with only talking about this season is what happens if (actually ‘when’ imo) hoyer leads the browns to 11 wins and the division banner? what happens is you find yourself with a top 10 QB (good news!) who a UFA (very bad news). iow, a nightmare situation. you cant keep sheard, cameron, rubin, or extend gordon/taylor AND pay hoyer the $20M/yr that he will command at the end of the year.

  • Harv 21

    wait, we’re so out of topics that we fish for comments on a comment made by lowest common denominator radio guy on his slow trolling day?

    WFNY needs Browns topics intervention, stat. Maybe:

    – Shawn Mennenga and Christian Yount: rearview soulmates.

    – Justin Gilbert: Loneliest Blue Chip in the History of Berea.

    – Berea Port-o-Pots: just how useful is the Vacancy app ?

  • RGB

    Three 1st rounders in 2015 would be nice.
    Maybe, just MAYBE, then, we would draft a WR…

  • BenRM

    The fact that Grossi even asked the question is moronic.

  • Without getting too defensive, I think countering something decisively and directly that was debated on the most popular morning sports radio show in town is different than fishing for comments. I kind of was mocking the debate, I thought.

  • The_Real_Shamrock
  • CB Everett

    Sexy Rexy, found dead of (auto erotic?) asphyxiation under giant American flag.

  • CB Everett

    Look man, if you wanted them to draft a WR, you had your chance before the draft. But you said nothing. And now the Bills drafted Watkins. You really should have spoken up.

    Too soon?

  • Harv 21

    “Then again, I didn’t really think that I’d be looking at pictures of Grossman in a Browns uniform a couple weeks ago.”
    ——————————————-
    “Hopefully the trade talk is nothing more than the inane rantings …”
    ——————————————-
    ” …is hopefully a storyline from dysfunctional days gone by …”

    Yes, I’m kind of picking nits, but WFNY has standards and didn’t take this as a decisive countering, as opposed to encouraging a convo about it. Some inanities should just be left there on the floor where they belong, even if the subject is the QB of the Browns. To pick it up and give it any attention only encourages the guy to do it again.

  • bossman09

    Every player is available to trade at any time of the year – assuming you get good value. Would I have traded Gordon last year? sure – for a 1st round pick. Would I trade Hoyer? Sure – but it probably has to be for a 2nd to high 3rd and maybe a 5th. So the whole “Is this guy trade bait” question viable? sure! but notice they never publish a trade partner or what the trade return would be. For the record, I would trade Thomas, Mack, Manziel – ANYONE but it would be a stupid high cost. And don’t think it could happen. Look at some trades in the past like Walker, Williams etc. Heck, RGIII was worth 3 first round picks…

  • You’ll appreciate this Harv, because I’ve owned my struggles with headlines, but I re-wrote the headline four times and then landed on the one that was decisive.

    Rex Grossman doesn’t make Brian Hoyer expendable

  • cmm13

    Maybe…

  • CB Everett

    It happens. Every now and then, we all get hoisted with our own petards:)

  • Eric G

    Sweet fannypack

  • Eric G

    It’s close, but I’m pretty sure that’s the worst photoshop I’ve ever seen. And I once saw Hallie Berry’s face on Jenna Jameson’s body (please don’t ask why, it was a long time ago when the internet was very new)

  • Garry_Owen

    Why is Cleveland’s obvious #1 draft pick holding a POORLY PHOTOSHOPPED Bills jersey? Stupid Buffalo fans.

  • Garry_Owen

    Okay, THAT might be too soon.

  • Garry_Owen

    You can’t have dunlap if you don’t have a belt of some sort.

  • Garry_Owen

    Notsomuch curious why, but moreso curious how you knew it was Jameson’s body . . .

  • Bryan

    I like Hoyer. Loved him last year. But, to be honest, the vibe from Berea (the fact that they haven’t named a starter, the reports that Manziel and Hoyer are neck in neck, etc.) are very different that what I expected if Hoyer was their guy. I thought Hoyer would named starter by now or, at the very least, the coaches would be less cagey and would be heaping praise on Hoyer.

    Given all of this, I think it’s possible they have already decided Manziel is the guy and that they Hoyer is a hard-working but expendable backup. If this is true, a trade of Hoyer makes sense. His value may not be higher.

    So include me in the camp of people who don’t view the rumor as crazy.

  • nj0

    Those are problems I’d love for the Browns to have.

  • Bryan

    I would also add that any idea we will get a first rounder for Hoyer is INSANE. A 4th or 5th rounder seems more realistic. To the rest of the league, the guy is a career backup that showed flashes in 3 games. Let’s be realistic.

  • cmm13

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    All originals are for sale on my blog, thank you for your support

  • cmm13

    HE IS IN COMPETITION WITH JOHNNY FOOTBALL, HE HAS BEEN WITHIN PHYSICAL CONTACT DISTANCE OF THE GREATEST FOOTBALL PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE LEGEND OF THE GAME HIS TRADE VALUE IS ASTRONOMICAL BECAUSE OF THIS.

    — ESPN.

  • Bryan

    kanick – your argument makes a lot of sense if you believe he will be a playoff QB. and i assume farmer would agree with your strategy if he also thought Hoyer was a playoff QB.. which means the fact that farmer hasn’t signed him yet he is strong evidence that he remains skeptical of hoyer.

    the vibes from berea, in my eyes, point to manziel as the guy. i am not saying they are right, i am just reading the tea leaves (the team seems increasingly non-committal to hoyer as time passes).

  • mgbode

    I know. Just look at his tie. He knew where he was supposed to go.

  • mgbode

    no doubt. Weeden is still pretending to play in the NFL.

  • mgbode

    also, drafting a QB in the 1st round when we desperately needed a WR seems to indicates that Farmer isn’t particularly sold on Hoyer.

    I’m cheering for him. He’s the type of guy I like to be successful in the NFL, but the odds are decidedly not in his favor.

  • cmm13

    You are behind… sources reporting Brandon Weeden gave up the NFL to pursue the role of Captain America in the next Marvel reboot

    http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1180820/Brandon-Weeden-American-flag_medium.jpg

  • mgbode

    there is no chance that we would get a 1st rounder for Hoyer. the only reason that I threw it up there was to push the point that any guy has a price.

    anyway, if we did put him on the market, then I would guess a 4th rounder that could become a 2nd rounder if he started a certain number of games would be the likely price. the only way we get a 1st is if we put something in there about him having to win a playoff game this year.

  • mgbode

    yes, but, to get the role, he is first pretending to be “America’s Team” QB.

  • mgbode

    or maybe we’ll trade him for Andre Johnson.

  • Petefranklin

    That’s literal chump change in the realm of NFL QB’s. If it gets front loaded, by the time JFF is ready for a raise We’ll be clear of Hoyer if deemed necessary. Weren’t we at least 25 million under the cap last year alone?

  • Petefranklin

    Grossman? Who cares. How’s Connor shaw looking? I have a hunch that in two years he’s the starter.

  • RGB