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WFNY Roundtable: Handicapping the Browns’ coaching search

WFNY_roundtable

With the rumor, speculation, hysteria, and paranoia regarding the Cleveland Browns search for a head coach ramping up, we decided to look at a few of the issues surrounding all the noise. Check out the conversation below:

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Aldon Smith does not make the 49ers defense go Patrick Willis and Novarro Bowman made the defense go. Aldon Smith is/was a perfect compliment to those two by himself no way.

    As for the Browns their primary investment was on the defensive line despite already having Taylor, Rubin, Wynn and Sheard. How did Krueger work out? Mingo showed minor flashes but that’s all. Bryant was the best of the three and he has a medical issue. Basically they got very little bang for their buck and now you’ll have players suited for a 3-4 waiting to see who the new defensive coordinator is in town. Same old same old.

  • mgbode

    the first 3 interview requests went to Gase, McDaniels, and Quinn. So, 2 offensive guys and 1 defensive guy. The people driving the offensive guru bus are the media and fans.

    and, it’s why I wanted Malzahn. but, if we aren’t going to get a true innovator on offense, then I prefer a defensive coach to play to the strengths of our current talent.

  • Agreed in the need. My quarrel is with the idea that they didn’t have bigger needs to attend to first.

  • mgbode

    it’s just a philosophy thing. if you don’t have a QB and guys who can get to the other QB, then you don’t have a good team IMO.

  • Garry_Owen

    We’re all better than Mike Junkin.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Maybe they’ll trade some of those assets they worked so hard to get a year ago to move up to get Manziel. What could go wrong?

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    “defensive coach to play to the strengths of our current talent,” in other words good luck sucka!

  • Tron

    I’ll preface by saying that of course, no one knows for sure. But if I had to put the pieces together I think it is reasonable to say that we wanted Gase #1 and Mcdaniels #1A. Mcdaniels would have taken the job had we offered it to him but we wanted to wait on Gase. Mcdaniels wanted clarity and so moved on. Gase, never that interested and seeing that we were primarily waiting on him, did us a favor and said “don’t bother”.
    I say that it is reasonable to assume that this was the way it played out only because it seems obvious to me that The Browns are now scrambling.
    This does not mean that Gase or Mcdaniels would have been better options than either Pettine or Quinn. However, the reverse is true as well.
    All of this is to say that if an organization has a process and that the process does not go according to plan, then it is safe to assume, or logical to expect, that the results will follow suit.

  • mgbode

    yes, you are talking about the actual production of who they chose, and I obviously agree. I am talking to the philosophy of targeting pass rush as the primary need of the defense.

    on the 49ers, you need both. SF had both in 2010, they went 6-10 with a mediocre defense. Add in a pass rush in 2011 & Harbaugh’s schemes and they go 13-3 on the backs of a dominant defense. That is simplified, of course, but the general idea is there.

  • With the horses we have on the d-line, I was hopeful that they (coupled with at least average LB play) could do plenty of getting to the opposing QB. Which is why I think the move away from the 4-3 was a mistake. But that takes us further down the rabbit hole. Ultimately I think we have the same idea of what is needed to be a successful team, the difference seems to be how we propose getting there. I can live with that.

  • CB Everett

    Ugh…the ultimate NSFW pic. It’s too depressing for me to think that at ANY given point in time there is a former Browns HC who is Scrooge McDucking in a pool of money…

  • ¥¥¥

  • mgbode

    agreed.

  • Hey! Mike Junkin resen–no, no, Mike Junkin agrees.

  • mgbode

    a former Browns HC

    and, most likely more than one.

  • Garry_Owen

    Even more sadly, there is a POOL of former Browns HCs Scrooge McDucking in that pool of money.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Did the Browns need a pass rush? Yes obviously. Did they have a pass rush despite signing Kruger and Bryant and signing Mingo? No. Add in that they still need two secondary guys (maybe three if Ward departs) and at least two LBs and I’m sorry they did a lousy job this past off-season.

    As for the 49ers regardless of how they did it they did it. They were bad for awhile but instead of making mistakes they made the most of not only their top draft picks but also their free agents. The Cleveland Browns haven’t done any of this in 14 years which is a major reason why they are so bad.

  • BenRM

    Snicker McDoodle was also in really early.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    This team hasn’t had the personnel for the 3-4 in over a decade.

  • mgbode

    he was in the 2nd wave of candidates (only know this offhand because I just compiled the full list for this thread).

  • Apparently we like our coaching candidates like we like our feminists: third wave.

  • BenRM

    Irregardless (heh), there was definitely an offensive focus beforehand, but that focus had to be changed because no one loves us 🙁

  • This whole process has been offensive

  • BenRM

    Zing!

  • RGB

    Although not a HC, Holmgrem is still eating racks of ribs and quaffing pitchers of mai-tais on Cleveland’s dime.

  • Pat Leonard

    Yep… if you are a regular listener of the NFL’s Around The League podcast, as I am, you would know that a game with zero sacks and zero QB hits is known as a “Dirty Gholston” in honor of Vernon. The Jets OLBs during that era weren’t just bad… they were historically bad.

  • CB Everett

    Brontosaurus size ribs. I can’t help but think that Holmgren’s contract was nothing more than a giant pork barrel for Seattle-area eateries.

  • RGB

    Just sayin…

  • Bingo. I don’t care if they fall ass backwards into hiring the right guy. I just want to win.

  • EXTREMELYSADFan

    They’re DESPERATELY trying to find ANYONE who will come here knowing that Banner, and Lombardi are running the show. If Banner was any good at anything but penny-pinching, he would still be with Philly. And as for Lombardi, check out his GREAT draft picks when other teams gave him a job. There’s a definite reason he was out of football till Banner brought him here. All you have to do is look at last yrs draft to know these two aren’t capable of running a team. Haslam deserves these two, the Cleveland fans don’t.

  • The negativity of fans/media has no impact on coaches or players deciding to come here, I promise you that.

    But I do agree that fans are part of the negativity. But I also think this regime deserves much of it. Most of it, probably. You can’t come in and tell us all how things are going to be different now, and then turn around and hire a clown for a GM, get investigated for corporate fraud, put a 4-12 team on the field, fire the coach after 1 season, and then blame the fans for being upset.

    I don’t like that this is where we are at all. I hate the negativity and the frustration. But we should stop blaming the fans. It’s not our fault. We have no control. It’s this regime, and the one before, and the one before who have put us all in this position.

  • Garry_Owen

    Sooner or later, as this coaching search progresses, we should all have our chance.

  • RGB

    This team hasn’t had the personnel for the NFL in over a decade.

  • Corky Thatcher

    Hey extremely sad. Here’s a cyber hug! So why do you think Haslam deserves them? what has he done that’s so bad? You don’t happen to be a trucker?

  • Corky Thatcher

    3. Lick fingers?
    4. Shake angry fans’ hands?

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    That’s how they’d do it most likely.

  • Corky Thatcher

    He looks so peaceful!

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Call was blocked most likely

  • CMCD

    It seems really bleak at the present moment, but we as Brown’s fans have weathered the yearly storms for over a decade now. I think that we can survive a few more weeks of it. It is frustrating, agonizing, and infuriating but we will prevail and now is the time to get it right regardless of who we hire. They (FO) know that as well.

  • Garry_Owen

    “$10 million in folding money is the new Tempurpedic.”

    Or,

    “Chud’s SleepNumber is $10 million.”

    You pick.

  • EXTREMELYSADFan

    No I’m not a trucker. Haslam deserves them simply because he’s the one that hired them and gave them the power they don’t deserve

  • pnikhilrao

    But like Quinn, we could have spoken to him weeks ago, no?

  • BenRM

    I believe the organization has to give you permission first. Since no one spoke to any SF coordinators, my guess is that SF wasn’t giving permission until the playoffs were over.

  • RGB

    Here’s what I don’t get…
    Slick Jimmy was part of a Class A organization, presumably with many competent execs on staff.
    Why didn’t he just bring a couple of hungry young managers looking for promotions with him, and turn over VP and GM operations over to them?
    Instead he hires an ass and a failure…and well, this is what happens.
    I can’t possibly be the only person who wonders about this.

  • mgbode

    that was the hope when he hired Alec Scheiner and Ray Farmer. that he was looking for the best possible FO people too. Lombardi is an extremely strange hire in all of this mess that I don’t understand (other than he’s friends with Banner – not exactly a solid reason).

    (Banner was a guy that Haslam’s NFL people linked him to before the sale. Basically, someone to show him the ropes, teach him about cap management, etc. Another good idea that may be falling flat.)

  • @TheDeePagel

    I thought he was implying that Manziel forced his way out of Cleveland, ended up in Tennessee and then led them to the SB as a rookie.