Scott: So… Was that the last start for Brandon Weeden? Should it be his last start?
TD: They cannot trot him out there at home again. It will be a the ugliest of ugly scenes if they do so. My guess is they start him at KC, let him hang himself with more bad QB play on the road against one of the best defenses in the league, and prepare Campbell to start in two weeks against the Ravens. Remember, Campbell got a start at SF last year when Jay Cutler got hurt. He was painfully bad. Why repeat that? Think about this – the Browns front office was going to go into the season with Campbell and Weeden as their two QBs until Hoyer was cut by Arizona in MAY. They didn’t draft a QB. They let Thad Lewis walk. These were going to be there two guys. Scary thought.
Oh, and he should NEVER take another snap in Cleveland. He is that bad.
Andrew: It’s not a scary thought, it’s a scary reality. Hoyer isn’t coming back this year, so these are the 2 guys we as fans are stuck with. I’m not sure why the Browns didn’t at least take a look at Josh Freeman.
As for the original question, I just don’t know what I think they should do with Weeden. Is Jason Campbell really any better? I guess he theoretically can’t be any worse.
Rick: You can’t go back to Weeden if you make that switch.
Not that I’m against that…
TD: Weeden is a lightning rod. I think the locker room saw what Hoyer did and look at Weeden completely different. He doesn’t inspire anyone – the team, the fans, the front office, etc. Not that Campbell is any great shakes, but I think we’ve all seen enough of Weeden at this point.
Craig: I would love to say that Brandon Weeden absolutely cannot make another start for the Cleveland Browns, but it’s not the case. He can and likely will. The Browns don’t have a lot of options, and they’ve shown no interest in exploring what options might be available. I’m completely disheartened that the Browns haven’t signed a third QB of any kind since Brian Hoyer went down injured.
When you watch Brandon Weeden’s body of work this season, it’s absolutely baffling that they think this team can get make any kind of progress in any phase of the game – from offense and defense to special teams – with a field “general” that absolutely nobody can have confidence in anymore.
If I cared, I’d be scared, but I’ve written this thing off already. That’s really sad, but I can’t see how they will prove me wrong. Another season wasted. Another year of my life with irrelevant football. Is anyone looking forward to the KC game next week?
TD: Hey, at least T Rich continues to look bad in Indy and we have a first round pick to show for him! bright side! Seriously, So glad I yet again paid for another year of this. Such a shame that Hoyer got hurt. He at least made things interesting and the team took to him. You are right Craig, how is there not some sort of developmental guy on this roster or even the practice squad like a Thad Lewis?
Andrew: It’s funny, because I was Heckert’s biggest supporter, and I really believed in his drafts. But trading up to take Richardson was an enormous mistake and taking Weeden in the first round was almost just as bad. Those two moves really hurt this franchise. The Browns’ new regime made a move to fix the first problem, but they still haven’t done a thing about the Weeden problem. I don’t know either why they haven’t tried fixing the problem since Hoyer’s injury. Maybe they really are tanking this season.
TD: They may be taking the NBA approach. There is no glory in 6-10 or 5-11. Might as well for 2-14, 3-13 and get in the top 3. The problem is they blew smoke at us all off season about how competitive they would be and how much better things would look on the field.
Craig: This argument drives me nuts. For every Andrew Luck, there’s a Ben Roethlisberger or Joe Flacco who was not taken in the top five. At some point you have to win any way possible. I’m at that point as a fan. I don’t care what their plan is. It better include winning ASAP.
I had a specific discussion about “tanking” with my brother today too. The Colts didn’t really tank to get Andrew Luck. Peyton Manning got hurt. They had Curtis Painter on the roster. They tried desperately to get reasonable QB play out of Kerry Collins. That team still had Mathis, Freeney, Reggie Wayne, a younger Joseph Addai, Dallas Clark and Pierre Garcon. They didn’t tank as much as they were poisoned by the loss of Peyton Manning and whichever scrubby dude they got to fill in for him in whichever week.
After watching the defense of the Browns regress with Brandon Weeden at the helm, doesn’t it sound familiar?
Andrew: I think we have to remember it’s still a business. If tanking was their goal all along, there’s no way they can publicly say that. They have to say they are optimistic and that things will be better.And I would argue that you can point to the defense as being significantly better. They chose to improve defense in year one, and we’re getting results there. Hopefully this offseason they address the offense and then next year we start to see results on that side of the ball.
Scott: I can’t wait until they do find a quarterback and then he has to worry about getting killed because Joe Thomas will have retired.In a masochistic (and vindictive) sort of way, I want to see just how bad things can get. The last time we saw Joe Banner and Jimmy Haslam, they were yucking it up as their team squeaked past the incomparable Jeff Tuel. Two brutal losses later and it’s crickets.
I can’t believe I’m saying it, but I’d honestly consider Vince Young at this point. At least he could run for his life with a little more success.
TD: I would MUCH rather watch Vince Young try to resurrect his career than watch Weeden continue to flounder. That said, VY is not a Norv Turner type of QB.
Andrew: Give me Vince Young over Brandon Weeden any week. Weeden is legitimately the worst QB in the NFL. What can anyone point to as a strength or something Weeden does well? I can’t name one thing. That’s horrible.
TD: Don’t forget, that the Browns of 2010 really responded to Colt McCoy in the same fashion that they rallied around Hoyer. There was no book on him either. The defense was good, and McCoy made enough plays to keep them in games. All it takes ia a LITTLE to get us into it. Weeden can’t even do that.