Tribe Weekend Recap: Two out of three is good, but…..
September 9, 2013Cleveland Browns missed a big opportunity with first impression
September 9, 2013
What would Monday mornings be if there was a bunch of happy stuff to talk about? Someday I hope to find out during the run of podcasts with Scott Raab. This week, though, we discussed the Browns’ loss to the Dolphins yesterday and also the conitinual shaming of Cleveland sports fans by the media over attendance issues.
Scott Raab drives into NYC to hang with a local chapter of the Browns backers
Cleveland Browns Andre Rison jerseys
The prediction culture in the NFL
Predictions vs. holding the team accountable
Brandon Weeden and who gives them the best chance to win
The Browns absolutely will be looking for another quarterback
Ryan Tannehill and his battery with Brian Hartline
Are you a real fan?
The media pointing at fans and blaming them for attendance
The attendance and the factors that lead to this
Stability is a good thing, but it can also be a bad thing
The failure loop of the Cleveland Indians
Terry Francona’s arrival bought Shapiro and Antonetti one last chance with Craig, but not with Scott
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The amount of revisionist history here is shocking. Well, maybe not from Raab, who operates outside of the real world, but it’s still appalling. Again, the only constant here is that Craig and Scott don’t like the group they are part of, the fans, taking any heat. Of course they immediately start making up things about how other groups haven’t taken enough heat. You really think there hasn’t been much written that blames Dolan or Shapiro or Antonetti for the team’s recent performance? That’s everywhere, and there’s still plenty of finger-pointing at them despite this team being in contention.
For all this talk about Cleveland supposedly being a tough town that knows how to pick itself up by the bootstraps, we get Raab and his venile ranting, and Craig whining when someone says something not-so-nice about the group he belongs to.
You keep saying that I’m “whining” because you don’t agree with me. It’s false to say I’m whining. I am defiantly saying it is wrong to blame the fans. I’m protesting profusely. I’m not whining. Burden of proof is on the guys who are responsible for winning. A so-far average season isn’t a bad start, but it isn’t anywhere close to an acceptable destination for this team.
It’s nice to see that while you’ve moved away from using form letters, you’re still making the same point about Raab being a big meanie over and over.
I’ve made a number of detrimental comments about Cleveland fans in our podcasts, and I don’t think Craig has whined about any of the things I’ve had to say. But keep it up, man. You’ve got plenty of blue-collar-stick-to-it-ive-ness!
Greatly enjoyed the podcast. I’ve been a frequent reader of the site, but never taken the time to listen before. As someone who has lived for awhile on the East Coast and is used to the New York media, it was nice to hear Scott call the Cleveland media to the carpet for being such soft touches with the local teams. This has been one of my biggest complaints over the past few years, and this ridiculous “fan shaming” over not supporting a team giving meaningful at-bats to Jason Giambi’s corpse is the latest example of a media that specializes in doing disservice to its readers.
It’s whining because all you do is complain. I’ve made repeated efforts to point out how wrong you are, both here and in the previous thread, and you ignore those points. You are saying defiantly that it’s wrong to blame the fans, but you have yet to really point out why its wrong.
Burden of proof of what? This is just nonsense to get out of having to defend your point. You are making the accusation that blaming the fans is wrong, and the burden of proof is on the accuser. We’re still waiting.
As far as the guys responsible for winning, I’ll say it again. They’ve been blamed many times over. They’ve taken plenty of shots from both the fans and the media. To even remotely suggest that they haven’t only shows you see only what you want to see, and to whine.
And as far as a “so-far average season”, you might want to watch a game or two, they’ve been enjoyable more often than not.
I’ve moved well past Raab being “a big meanie”. He’s a vitriol spewing nutcase whose only goal is to draw attention to himself.
He provides no real analysis, and devolves into a breathless series of curses and rants as he realizes he’s got nothing valuable to say.
He’s got quite the symbiotic relationship with the Cleveland sports community. He leeches onto our frustration, to sell a book and to just to get a chance to hear the sound of his own voice, meanwhile egging fans on about how frustrated they should be.
The guy provides nothing of value, and only tries to drag people down to his level. He needs to just go away.
Nice job, Craig. Every time I feel like suggesting that once a week is a little much for Raab’s strong medicine and constant point repetition (and I’m maybe his biggest fan among commenters) you guys entertain again.
Just one reaction to your consensus about Weeden’s limited “tool kit”: I don’t think he has the stuff of a winning QB for the same reason as you two, but QBs do improve, sometimes dramatically, during their second year. Nobody could be positive last year he didn’t have it, not even the coaches working with him daily, so I doubt those who claim to have known it from the jump. And the fact that he’s 29 doesn’t mean that it’s over just because Bernie was cut at age 29 after absorbing 9 years of vicious NFL hits and an elbow injury that changed his arm strength. That analogy is weird. A QB relies less on fast twitch than, say, a RB or WR so age shouldn’t be such a centerpiece of the analysis. My prob with Weeden is that he doesn’t appear to have a feel for the game or see the field well at all. But to say he can’t ever be the ’07 Derek Anderson, who had just a handful of big games with good receivers against crappy teams, seems like post-opener angry talk.
nice pod, you two are finding a good cadence.
and scott and i are of one mind when it comes to the browns offseason (incompentent or deliberate tankage) and the media coverage of same.
I like the “real fan” discussion. If myself 10 years ago saw me know he’d be appalled. Hash-tag-old* me doesn’t have time to care about incompetence and doesn’t care.
*I do realize I’m not even close to old yet