NFL News: Colt McCoy trade details
April 1, 2013WFNY Podcast – 2013-04-02 – Scott Raab talks Patton Oswalt, sports talk radio, Cavs and Tribe
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Five most memorable opening days in Tribe history. Proud to say I was at three of these. “If you polled the fans, most would probably consider the 1994 season opener as the greatest ever. The Indians opened the season at home on April 4, 1994 against the Seattle Mariners, and sent everyone home happy with a thrilling come from behind 4-3 win in 11 innings. It was the inaugural game at the newly opened Jacobs Field, and the game served as but an appetizer to the fun that was to be had at the corner of Carnegie and Ontario for many games to come after that. The game featured President Bill Clinton throwing out the first pitch, Mariners lefty Randy Johnson no-hitting the Indians through seven innings, a big two-run double off the wall by Manny Ramirez in the eighth to tie the game at 2-2, an Omar Vizquel RBI in the tenth inning to tie the game at 3-3, and then Wayne Kirby coming up as the hero with a base hit down the left field line in the eleventh inning to seal the walkoff win.” [Lastoria/FSO]
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Fleeced? Um, no not really. “If the 49ers fleeced the Chiefs in the trade that sent Alex Smith to Kansas City, the 49ers experienced a minor fleecing of their own in giving up a fifth-round pick and a seventh-round pick to the Browns for quarterback Colt McCoy.” [Florio/PFT]
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“Here’s my point: Thad Matta is an excellent coach. He would tell you that his goal is to win the Big Ten and then the NCAA Tournament every year. Ohio State has a ton of potential. Every player on the team would tell you that their goal is to win the Big Ten and then the NCAA Tournament every year.
That’s not realistic. Not yet. The closest analogue that I can think of right now is Matta’s (according to Mark Titus) eternal rival in Billy Donovan. Donovan arrived at Florida in 1996 at the age of 31 and in his first nine years as head coach took them to March Madness seven times. The first time they advanced past the Sweet 16 was in 2000, when they lost to Michigan State in the championship game. The second time was in 2006, when they won the first of back-to-back titles. It was Donovan’s 10th season as Florida’s coach.
It’s coming. Thad Matta has turned one of the Big Ten’s most inconsistent NCAA Tournament teams into one of the most consistent, and in nine seasons as head coach he’s won 17 NCAA Tournament games, more than Ohio State had won in all the combined seasons since 1979.” [Ginter/Eleven Warriors]
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“For the Browns, a one-year deal for Grimes was never in the cards. It doesn’t make sense. First of all, when is he going to be 100% healthy? Achilles are typically 11-12 month injuries. Grimes got hurt in September. So why sign a player for one year and risk not even get him on the field until August? Also, if I’m Joe Banner and I’m trying to build a team that will be sustainable for a number of years, I’m not signing a guy for one year only to lose him next off-season. Then I just threw cap money out the window and I have the same void to fill next year that I have right now. It’s akin to sticking bubblegum over a leak instead of filling the crack with concrete. Apparently, the Miami Dolphins are content with that. The Browns, at this point in their development, are not.
One other notable issue with Grimes was the fact that Joe Haden is up for a new contract in 2015. If you sign Grimes to a one-year deal, you either have to re-sign him next year for big money or sign someone else while you’re also trying to re-sign Haden. Having to pay both of your starting corners in the same year is a situation the Browns likely don’t want to find themselves in. It would be much better to fill the position opposite Haden for the long-term this year than having to worry about the inevitable of paying both guys next year or possibly losing Haden to free agency in 2015. Again, there’s a method to the madness here.” [Alton/Draft Browns]
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Ranking the Indians’ 25 man roster. “#18 Brett Myers, RHP (End of 2012 Rank: NR) 2013 ZiPS Projections: 28 GS, 178.0 IP, 6.17 SO/9, 2.22 BB/9, 4.25 ERA, 4.06 FIP, 2.3 WAR
Myers will likely not impress fans, but he should give Cleveland’s rotation something they sorely need in 2013: an innings eater. Before he was converted to a closer last season by the Astros, Myers routinely threw 190 innings and could be relied on to take the ball every fifth day.
So why not rank him higher? Well, the questions surrounding Myers are pretty serious. Most pitchers see their results spike when moved to the bullpen, but Myers’ strikeout rate fell fairly sharply (6.67 SO/9 to 5.65 SO/9). Myers was never much of a strikeout pitcher anyway, but he will need some if he wants to throw effective innings in 2013.” [Piascik/IPI]
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RE: Fleecing
I think the point Florio is/was making is that the Browns were able to turn a player without any value into an extra (and higher) pick. Even though the pick is late, getting ANYTHING for Colt McCoy is a minor miracle.
Yes. And I think that in the back of the FO’s collective mind is trying to figure out a strategy for leveraging extra low round picks with maybe another trade or two to get back into the second round of the draft.
That would be my guess as well.
I think I understand why some fans are upset about how much we got for Colt (with the 9 spot move-up and the 7th, it basically works out to a 1 6th round pick value).
We got a 6th for Frye (when we just wanted to wash off his stench after that 1st half vs. Pitt).
We got 2x6th’s and Hillis for Quinn
Colt is (presumably) better than Frye and at least as good/bad as Quinn (I actually do think he’s better than Quinn). I also think that while there weren’t many starting quality QBs on the market, there were alot of backups (more decent backups than usual) and it undercut the trade value a bit. Basically, we got lucky another team wanted Colt too and SF had to trade (or lose the waiver priority battle).
Three memorable Openers that I attended:
1993 at the old place, when Steve Olin and Tim Crews were honored before the game. It was very moving.
1992 when we lost to the Red Sox in like 19 innings. I stayed for every pitch.
1990 when we got snowed out. There weren’t many fans there, but there was a rare Keith Hernandez sighting.
Wasn’t the game tying double off “Jacobs Ladder” hit by Eddie Murray on opening day in 1994???
We had seats right behind the visitor’s dugout for that 19 inning game. Even though the Tribe lost, it was one of my favorite baseball memories.
What a great opportunity for Colt. Kapernick is bound to get hurt with his playing style, so Colt should have a chance to shine on a very good team.
“And this is what I did to Gordon Gund and Cavaliers fans,”…Boozer’d!
http://nba.si.com/2013/03/30/carlos-boozer-referee-punch-below-the-belt-bulls-mavericks-danny-crawford/
I think you hit the nail on the head… it’s hard to compare McCoy’s value to Quinn’s because the free agent market is different. If more teams were interested in McCoy, Banner wouldn’t have pulled the trigger yesterday… I think he got the best offer that was on the table.