While We’re Waiting… Tim Couch on losing, Buckeye bro-fighting and too much Gruden?

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Good read on Tim Couch– “When you’re in it, you think completely different,” Couch said. “But when you get removed from it you realize. That was almost an impossible situation to be successful in. It really was. We just didn’t have a lot of talent. Every week was a struggle. Then I had my problems. I kept getting hurt. It was one thing after another.” [McManamon/FSO]


The team the Indians are playing this week? They tend to cause headaches as well– “It’s not the losing streak that makes me want to snap. It’s that the Royals apparently have learned nothing from an entire generation of losing. For 25 years, the Royals have been the most anti-sabermetric team in all of baseball – while the Godfather of sabermetrics lived down the road in Lawrence – and over the last 25 years the Royals have the most losses in the major leagues.

And their current front office, like the front office before them and the front office before them, thinks that this is a coincidence. They keep arguing that the problem with the Royals is that they’re not doing the little things right. That may be true, but only because they’re not doing ANYTHING right.” [Rany on the Royals]


Former Buckeye Evan Turner on Mark Titus’ book– “You accept Mark for Mark,” he said. “I laugh at him, but I’ve got enough stuff to worry about without some guy telling stories to make money. You expect that from Titus, you know? When you accept somebody for who they are, you don’t get mad. He’s one of those guys who likes attention, so he started the blog, (and) he writes a book or whatever to keep the attention on him. You understand that’s what he likes, and that’s what keeps him going. That’s Mark, you know? … I love him for who he is. I don’t get mad at that type of stuff.” [Jones/CSNPhilly]


“Outside of Justin Verlander, the Indians shouldn’t be worried about Detroit’s starters. That’s why it is so important for the Tribe to keep their starting pitching on track. We’ve pretty much accepted that Ubaldo Jimenez is going to be a crap shoot every time he takes the mound, but Derek Lowe has been surprisingly solid in his first three starts, Jeanmar Gomez looked good Saturday night, and Josh Tomlin threw eight innings of one run ball in his start last week against Seattle. The biggest question mark is turning out to be Justin Masterson, who has given up 15 earned runs, 21 hits and 11 walks in his last three starts, covering just 13 innings.” [Red Right 88]


Finally, Chris Chase you may have watched a few too many episodes. [Chase/Shutdown Corner]

  • Harv 21

    Actually can’t remember ever before hearing Couch’s own version of what happened here. Very interesting.

    Never thought he had the physical attributes or the smarts of a franchise QB, but admired his competitiveness and his never complaining about the beating he took. Or that the running game often featured Terry Kirby, dancing behind the line of scrimmage.

  • Max

    Madre Hill, Travis Prentice, Ben Gay, Karim Abdul Jabbar, Errict Rhett, Jamel White, James Jackson…this team was horrible, and every time I see Couch labeled as a “bust” I cringe because the real busts were Carmen Policy and Dwight Clark.

  • Garry_Owen

    I know it’s an impossible, foolish comparison because they were in different drafts (and the Browns were but a mixed whisp of memory and hope in ’98), but I sometimes wonder how history would read if Couch had somehow been drafted by the Colts and Manning had been drafted by the Browns in an alternate universe.  Would we have spent the winter wondering where “Super Bowl-winning” Tim Couch would be signing and reading a “where is he now?” article on Peyton Manning?  I doubt it – but only with respect to Couch, because there’s nothing to go on except what we saw.  Still, I don’t think even Peyton Manning could have succeeded in Cleveland.

    For me, Tim Couch is the biggest “what if” (sorry to have appropriated your sorry motto, Indians) in the last 13 years of Browns football.  I really feel for the guy.  He truly didn’t have a chance with this team.  Too bad.  Too bad. 

    On another note, Couch’s thoughts on Chris Palmer are interesting.  I never knew what to think of him as a Head Coach.  I think I now agree that he, too, got the serious short end of a really short stick.   

  • Garry_Owen

    Amen, and amen. 

  • mgbode

    Peyton’s neck injury would have occurred in his 2nd season here and he would have been a Courtney Brown style bust?

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  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Unfortunately for Couch he’ll always be the poster boy of the futile resurrected Browns but it goes with the territory.  Had they somehow managed to be good he’d have soaked in all that came with it.  Everything with the “return” of this team was bad and all these years later they still haven’t recovered.

  • Harv 21

    ugh, James Jackson, time had drawn a merciful veil until this moment.

    In retrospect, such obvious rot from the top: Al Lerner completely bought Policy’s narrative that he was helped create the 49er thing, Palmer was supposedly a QB guru who never developed another, and Dwight Clark  – I have no words. Except maybe this: he almost made Matt Millen look like Bill Polian.

  • TSM

    The bigger issue for the 1st year Browns was selecting a QB at all.  The way to build a new team is from the inside out beginning with the lines.   The QB should be added after a few years building the infrastructure.  The Texans made the same mistake, but the expansion Bengals started with a center, who had a very good career. 
    Ultimately, the biggest mistake was hiring Policy who proved to be a complete flim flam man.

  • Harv 21

    Suspect Palmer was two steps over his head, wasn’t all that great an OC before or after this. What I remember is that Policy announced that the very first piece of an org built from scratch should be the QB, and they were going to hang on to the #1 overall to get one, and had no interest in getting all the NO picks when Ditka went insane. And that in the league’s compressed time frame he wanted a head coach who knew QBs. And Palmer narrowed it pretty quickly to Couch and Akili, and ruled out Donovan McNab.

    But whatever, if Clark had just blindly made all his other picks from a Street and Smith’s draft guide without a single workout or interview or scouting trip this whole shebang would have been at least somewhat better, for Couch and us.

    You know, this is not good for my mental outlook hours before a huge draft,