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March 9, 2012In his first of eight trades that should happen before the March 15 NBA trade deadline, ESPN’s John Hollinger states that the Cleveland Cavaliers should send guards Ramon Sessions and Daniel Gibson to Portland.
It’s who they get back that may surprise Clevelanders. Per Hollinger’s latest PER Diem:
Ramon Sessions and Daniel Gibson to Portland; Jamal Crawford and Greg Oden to Minnesota; Luke Ridnour, Anthony Tolliver and $3 million to Cleveland
There’s been a lot of talk about trading Crawford for Ridnour, and that makes a lot of sense, but I like this one a little better. Sessions is a better player with a shorter contract, and his ability to play the pick-and-roll would help a Blazers offense that’s had some troubles under Raymond Felton’s leadership.
Crawford would be perfect in Minnesota, where he can play mostly off the ball but take turns running the point with the second unit. He can opt out after the season, and probably will, but he’d help the Wolves’ playoff run and they’d have a shot at re-signing him if it goes well.
Ridnour makes some sense in Cleveland, where he makes less money per year than Sessions and could slide in nicely as a steady backup to Kyrie Irving. The Cavs would also get paid, and they would accomplish that by dumping Gibson (owed $2.5 million guaranteed next year) on the Blazers, taking back the expiring deal of Tolliver and getting $3 million from the Wolves to pay the final year of Ridnour’s deal.
On the cover, it’s tough to say what the Cavaliers would be getting out of this deal. Sure, Ridnour “makes sense,” but trading two quality guards — one who is an immense fan favorite — for parts, an expiring deal and additional money doesn’t appear to be the best available offer. The Cavaliers continue to be in the hunt for draft selections. Anything of this ilk screams doing a deal just for deal’s sake.
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That trade makes no sense for the Cavs. Why would they want $3 million instead of a draft pick? I think Hollinger has the Cavs confused with the Indians.
This is one of the dumbest trade suggestions I have heard yet. It makes absolutely zero sense for Cleveland. What are the Cavaliers supposed to do with Tolliver? And $3 million? Um, ok. I don’t think the Cavaliers are making trades for cash right now, thanks.
It is funny when you think about it, a team can give another team $$ for a player haha
Wow, horrible deal from our perspective. No thanks.
Seriously! Plus Razor is a better back-up guard than Rid. So we are trading for some cash and a worse player? C’mon Hollinger, stick with the math…
If the Cavs cannot find ANY deal that includes a draft pick for Sessions, then MAYBE do this type of deal, but it seems pretty lousy to me.
If the Cavs cannot find ANY deal that includes a draft pick for Sessions, then MAYBE do this type of deal, but it seems pretty lousy to me.
If it said “Draft picks and cash” that’d make more sense. Who’s a FA this off season who that cash would be put towards, anyway?
If it said “Draft picks and cash” that’d make more sense. Who’s a FA this off season who that cash would be put towards, anyway?
John Hollinger, you ignorant slut. Why in the world would the Cavs make this deal? Luke Ridnour and Anthony Tolliver are not pieces for the future, he doesn’t include a draft pick, and the Cavs have money to burn so why do they care about getting a small amount of cap space? I respect the PER master, but this is absolutely idiotic. Take a break from ESPN’s trade machine for a sec and actually think about what each team needs.
John Hollinger, you ignorant slut. Why in the world would the Cavs make this deal? Luke Ridnour and Anthony Tolliver are not pieces for the future, he doesn’t include a draft pick, and the Cavs have money to burn so why do they care about getting a small amount of cap space? I respect the PER master, but this is absolutely idiotic. Take a break from ESPN’s trade machine for a sec and actually think about what each team needs.
I love running jokes.
I wouldn’t trade Keysha Cole for $3mil & Luke Ridnour let alone Gibson. and then we also giveup our best tradeable asset for Tippicanue w/ no Tyler too?
For real. Ridnour has to be one of the worst defensive PGs in the league, not just by looking at the scrawny little guy, but also by his stats. His team is 7.8 points per game better when he’s off the court than when he’s on it.
Thank you for your opening line to that comment.
As you can tell, so do I (just so long as we don’t beat a dead horse with a dead horse that we just beat to death).
you all seem to forget that ramon sessions is gone after this year. getting money for him sounds fine to me. we arent going to win anything this year. Your boss walks up to you and says you are fired after this year. you can leave with 3 million now or you can stay till the end of the year but you get nothing when you leave. ill take the money. gibson is a garbage backup pg and too small to play sg. thanks for playing ignorant fans.
I blame Branyan if that happens.
makes a lot of sense actually. ramon is gone after this year. we get money for someone that we would get nothing for. basically they are giving us money for someone who is dead weight. you probably thought the CC Sabathia trade was stupid too. If a player is leaving and you know he is gone get what you can before he leaves you and you get nothing in return
I agree but don’t you think right before the deadline someone will give up a late 1st rounder because they need a pg so bad. We might as well wait right before deadline to do a deal like this if we can’t get a draft pick because we would be getting nothing if we don’t. Hopefully someone needs Sessions enough to give up draft pick.
we are giving up Sessions to swap Gibson for Ridnour next season. no.thank.you.
It only makes sense if we wait right before deadline to do a deal like this. I understand the logic easily in this situation but what’s it hurt to wait right before the deadline. As far as the CC Sabathia deal it was smart to trade him but I wish Matt Laporta would do something so it wouldn’t be as painful. Ramon Sessions is gone and I wish Gibson would play more but there must be a reason why because I think Byron Scott would play him more if he was better than Anthony Parker. If you can’t beat out Anthony Parker you stink. It’s not as dumb of a deal as people think if this is all that’s out there. If you think teams are offering anything more than this I doubt that. Wait right before the deadline and hopefully someone gets desperate.
That’s the way I view it.
It’s funny to watch all these people not understand why this deal makes a little sense for us. I’m not saying I am in love with this deal but to not understand the logic behind it is funny. No wonder I am in constant disagreements with a lot of these people because they can’t even get something as easy as this.
I agree, I am still hoping for the Lakers. Problem is they are going to be looking to swing more high profile deals like Howard and Rondo and may need picks to sweeten those deals. I think if they fall out of the talks for those guys, we could get at least one of their picks for Ramon
I can see “a little sense” I guess. But I don’t see Rid as that big of a step up from Boobie. Very different skill sets and sure Boobie only really offers one “NBA” skill, but he is a better defender than Rid.
Then you end up trading Sessions, who is an expiring contract, for a Tolliver, whose an expiring contract? So what I see is a swap to two roughly equal value players and two expiring contracts with us getting a little cash to sweeten the deal.
I hope we can do better, unless we Clevelanders are way over-valuing Session’s value
If you make this deal, you’re just telling the season ticket holders to go screw. I don’t think Gilbert is going to crap his pants over $3mm, and I think that if they can’t get a draft choice in a deal for Sessions, they won’t bother moving him. It’s not as if letting Sessions walk is the worst thing ever, especially if you can’t get real value for him in a trade.
I’m hoping that in one of the higher profile deals, they need a 3rd team with an expendable PG. that might be our best route to a 1st round pick.
I’m hoping that in one of the higher profile deals, they need a 3rd team with an expendable PG. that might be our best route to a 1st round pick.
Good point. To the trade machine!
Good point. To the trade machine!
meh, not awful. gibson has been terrible recently and ridnour’s been a stud this year. i wouldn’t be too upset about this
Its not the best deal for the Cavs, so this will likely not happen. I could see this happen only if there were no other offers, but there ARE other offers so this one is moot.
Maybe you are in constant arguments because you jump to conclusions. The reason this deal sucks is because the Cavs can certainly get more than this for Sessions. At worst, they can get a second round draft pick thrown in. Your assumption that everyone thinks that the Cavs shouldn’t do this deal if nothing else works out is just flat out wrong. Obviously the Cavs should take this deal if there’s nothing else on the table… nobody is saying they shouldn’t. However, this isn’t a “good” deal for a player of Sessions’ talent.
Actually, Ridnour has been awful this season… statistically one of the worst PGs in the league and even if you aren’t a “stats guy”, you can do the eye test. He’s a really bad defender and gives up more points than he gets.
Logic apparently doesn’t prevail. Logic would tell you that the Cavs can get a much better deal than this, so we don’t even have to consider it. Not sure where you’re coming from with the angle of something is better than nothing. Well duh. Not a single person is arguing that. Our argument is that the Cavs can do better. Much better. Any draft pick, even a second round pick, would be better than Ridnour.
Count me in the group who don’t like it/understand it. Had the Cavaliers somehow ended up with Jamal Crawford then possibly but I’ll pass too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qP-NglUeZU
I never said arguments I said disagreements so I now know where your angle is coming from. Is this why 5 times on the page I said to hold off to see if we can get a draft pick out of it right before the trade deadline. You were talking about Ridenour and Tolliver being the future of the cavs and stuff. I understand if nothing else comes why they would do the deal. Read my responses on this topic and my attitude is to hold off until the end to try to get a draft pick and if we don’t then the cavs are in a position to just lose sessions for nothing. You wrote how the cavs shouldn’t do the deal the whole page so I’m glad even if it took you a couple hours to realize your wrong because if there is no other deal on table at the deadline then we might have to do something like this even if it is for some cash.
3 million is a little cash. You must have Randy Lerner type money.
Maybe if we hold out long enough the Bobcats will trade for Sessions for their 1st round draft pick. Actually I heard some stuff from Orlando that they might trade dwight howard straight up for sessions.
Wait, why do we get the 3 million? Sessions doesn’t get that money. Or are we the boss. I’m confused.
Guys, Guys…don’t worry about it. Greg Oden is involved. You think he’s going to pass a physical?
Hey, look, its a Dolan joke! How clever and original. Also, I’m not in the same boat with everyone else who thinks that the Cavs are still printing money like they were in the Lebron days.
this would be a terrible trade for the cavs